Your right, Oiler fans will find a reason to bitch. Pretty easy to find 2000 things to bitch about around here. Management is actually good at one thing. Giving us all a reason to bitch.

Great trade. MP,and Curtis Hamilton will provide the size we need on the wing in the future. Tyler Pitlick is no marshmellow. How about this. We have about 41 million commited to salaries next season including Souray's contract. Subtract half of that and we are sitting about 38ish. The cap is suppose to be set around 60 million. This team will need to pay a few more bucks to thier RFA's and UFA's like Cogliano,Jones and Peckham but its not going to be exorbidant amounts. We'll have close to 10-15 million in cap space moving forward. Usefull stuff when Hall, Eberle,MP all come due. If I am Stu MacGregor I am absolutely drooling at having another 1st round pick to put into play. If the Oilers draft RNH or Huberdeau and can convince the Senators to trade us 2 of the 3 second round picks they have for L.A. pick it'll be like winning the lottery for Stu. Nuff said. Go Oilers Go

Penner traded....hmmmm. Not sure if that is a great thing, but it does allow room for hall to play with hemsky on the top pp unit and pajarvi will get more top 6 minutes. This year is a wash so the development in the last 20 games may be an OK thing. We have cap space to fill in holes on the blue line in the summer (hopefully). And Stu needs to work some magic with the draft this year.

Tambo pissed me off with this deal (especially the Teubert aspect) but in the long run I think he was making a good deal for the team vision 3 years from now.

Months ago at the start of this ELPH season I did some of the future math and one of the big guns who deserves around 4+mil in 2-3 years would have to move because of the cap. ST took care of that future complication by dumping Pens now. Which it's probably at Penner's trade value high-mark (1yr contract vs. rental).

Anyone know a place that will change jersey name & numbers for a reasonable price? :'(

PHEW. Now we have even more money to throw at Brad Richards right? RIGHT??????

Doesn't anyone see the value in another #1 pick? The aquired pick will likely see a #20 pick in the draft. Eberle was drafted 22nd overall, although this year is not as deep with talent.

With the likes of Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, and Magnus Paajarvi on the rise, they will easily replace Penner's point production, leaving another spot for a future prospect to step up.

Have a quick peak at how many 20 - 25 DP's pan out and then get back to us.

Don't be surprised to see the Oilers try and move up with these extra picks.

Teubert, Larsson, Musil , Plante, Marincin , Petry coupled with Smid, Whitney and Gilbert should give us a good base to draw from(size plus) over next couple of years thanks to Penner deal . If Teubert or Musil turn out that either or both is a top two defenceman then Penner deal is a good one . Extra pick could also turn out and make a huge win for us . I.m thrilled to think the Oilers might pick off Larsson and Musil this year for defensive group to move forward with .

They are going to have to go along way to move into an area with a decent success ratio.

So can anyone explain the point of swapping Belle for Montgomery? The two players are basically a wash stats wise, cap wise and size wise. Why even do this trade at all? Bizzaro

It has to do with the number of AHL vets you have on the squad. Belle has nearly 300 gp and would take up one of the (5 I think) spots for guys with a high number of AHL games.

I was really wish washy on this but a sports caster madee see this trade in a different light. There won't be a cup run next year when penners contract is up. His value is at its hightest right now. If you look at we got alot for him. Teubert will turn into a Jason smith. Stay at home dman and a hard hitter that we need

Something about the amount of veterans you can dress in the AHL I think. Someone posted something about it in one of these threads.

As for the trade, I am totally fine with it.

Address a need, bullets for MBS (hopefully we can trade up with the second pick) and we keep the RW we need in Hemsky.

Thank you. That makes sense then. It just looked like a trade for the sake of trading at first glance... and second glance as well.

My 2 cents: - We can no longer claim there is no plan, or that we have not been told. 4-6 more long years, and I am concerned that Hall et al will not want to be here if/when it bears fruit - I have stated all yr that I was prepared to write this one off, but wanted to see at least a run at the playoffs next year. No matter what anyone thinks about DP, the team is worse than it was yesterday. I don't think he wanted to stay here (just look out your window) but generally the team that gets the best player wins the trade. So the Oil lose. - I have not been a Tambellini basher to this point but this might do it. Purely because I do not buy into "the plan" - as to the rest of our crap that everyone wanted to see gone I will actually give management a break. They are marginal players on a last place team. What do you expect?

Well this summer we can pick up more picks by moving some players. Then we can trade Hemsky next year for picks and the year after that after Hall and Eberle mature, we can trade them for picks. This way we can stay in 15th for the next 5 years and acquire as many prospects as possible. Then we will be able to compete in 2027.

I really did expect that to move Hemsky or Penner, that we would get a NHL ready defenceman which we desperately need instead of another prospect. IMO we could have waited until the off season and had more teams to work with as teams with NHL defenceman are likely going for the playoffs, and not going to part with them until the off season.

I do think its time to start filling in the role players and building a team. Now we need to look for a power forward again. As much as people ragged on Penner. He was a 25-30 goal scorer that was big and hard to move off the puck. we now have no size up front again. Even if we draft one, we are back to waiting a few years.

I want to see some winning starting next year and progress the next few years to getting a couple of rounds int he playoffs.

What need did it address? Too many top six forwards entering their prime on this team? Too many big forwards that can score? Not enough blue chip defensive prospects on a slow development curve? This does pretty much guarantee the Oilers will finish 30th and have the best odds at grabbing the number one pick if that's what you mean.

More unproven 17 year olds! Less legitimate NHL players! This team never needs to be good as long as we keep piling up draft picks!

Agreed, alot more questions than answers today. Do we include Landeskoog in the draft mix? I honestly believe, "the plan" is to lottery pick (pref first) for foreseeable future. I'll drink the kool-aid but given management's history of addressing things via the draft and free agency, we are all in this for the looooooooong haul.

The need of having some dmen in the system that might actually be hard to play against.

We already have the power forward to replace Penner, his name is Taylor Hall.

If picks and prospects don't start turning into vets that can help starting as early as the draft then sign me up to the hate ST crew.

*jeanshorts of the famous JSBM replied to me and even though he thinks I am stupid....SQUEEE*

This trade DOES accellerate the rebuild. What good does having Penner next year do but take key minuets that Hall MPS need to play. make us a little better so we get the 8th pick in 2012 instead of top 4? He Leaves after that season and we get less for him at any other time. His Wife works and lives and LA and man do we know what its like when wifey wants out right??? get ready for more suck next year but maybe playoffs after that and and . . .

So we are a lottery team next year too?

Good lord people.

I don't know tony have you seen last years draft class and what they have been up to? In fact almost all of Stu's picks look good we have a deep prospect pool that been top 3 in the leauge for almost a year now and will only get deeper with this draft.

Does anyone else miss the days of finishing 8th and actually getting to see some playoff hockey? As a season ticket holder, it's getting more and more difficult to support intentionally uncompetitive hockey teams...

Some oiler fans have a loser mentality. This trade sets the team back and for little benefit. We have to hope Stu can pull something out of his backside with a late pick. Teubert is the sort of guy that we have to be able to develop ourselves not trade our leading goal scorer for.

"But on the other hand the Oilers have hella cap space to do something, if "doing something" is ever in the cards."

What are they going to do with all this cap space? The UFA pool is the shallowest it's been in years. Who would want to sign here any way? We are the worst team in the league and this latest trade has cemented that fact.

All we have done is make sure we have another lottery pick in 2012.

Well, I certainly agree with the "get ready for more suck next year" part....

Out of curiosity, what is the 2012 draft looking like?

Maybe ST is in negotiations with Vandermeer right now?

I don't see anything wrong with ST wanting to keep his 2nd best Dman (arguably) this season.

I know Vandermeer had a slow start, but he has sure picked it up over the past few months.

I would like to see JV resigned at a decent number for a couple of years.

I had a thought today - LA sucked the hind banana for years, developing Brown, Kopitar, Doughty, and soon Bernier ... they made a number of clever trades that saw Kyle Quincey, Tim Gleason, and Patrick O'Sullivan go out the door to return Justin Williams, Jack Johnson, and Ryan Smyth. They have a deep pool of propects that they dipped into today to acquire Penner.

This was a long process for LA, beginning prior to the lockout. Not only are they likely to make the playoffs for a second straight year, their talent pipeline (Schenn, Voynov, Blah Blah Blah) will not just sustain, but accelerate their competitiveness for about a decade.

They are a good example of how to re-build for the long-term. LA fans saw their share of talent-shedding - Pavol Demitra flipped for Patrick O'Sullivan in '06, and Mike Cammalleri traded for what would eventually become ... Colton Teubert.

One day ... maybe in 2013 or 2014 we'll deal our picks and 4th or 5th best prospects for real NHL players. Until that day comes, Teubert, Marincin, Lander, and Curtis Hamilton will become NHL players who help compliment the Hall's, Paajarvi's and Couturiers (hopefully) that make up our young star-studded lineup.

Well said sir, for what it's worth, I agree 100%

I don't think you're stupid, I just don't think that this trade addressed any issues, and probably created more than anything else.

I'm just mad because 1. I wanted them to keep Penner over Hemsky if they absolutely had to trade one of them (which they didn't) and 2. They should have gotten a better return for a guy who's automatically going to slot into the LA top 6.

On the bright side though this does leave them even more room to go after some big FA's this summer *COUGH Brad Richards COUGH*.

It just feels like the team took two steps back, once again, and I'm starting to think we're not going to see any kind of competitive team until 2014 at the earliest, and as a wise man once said that will "suck hind banana".

I also just hit a boiling point because so many people think draft picks are somehow way more valuable than a 28 year old power forward who can score you 30 goals and play at both ends of the rink. It's like I say to my penis all the time "sorry to take it out on you, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time".

Bahahhhhahadghahfshfs poor penis. Always in the right place at the right time!

Speaking of arrousal, if richards is somehow signed (0.0000091% chance) I wouldnt even need to "touch it" to make it explode with enthusiasm.

Poetic Brief (In Honor)

For.

For all the times we called you the Fridge

For all the times we scratched you from the roster

For all the times you had to be from Horcoff to Hemsky, a bridge

For all the times you were Pierre McGuire’s “Monster”

We’re sorry.

For.

For all those times we called you “chubby”

For all those times Craig Mac slapped you to a bench

For all those times you couldn’t pave a path naturally muddy

For all those times we wanted to chuck at you a wrench

We’re sorry.

For.

For the fact the weather “is so damn fine”

For all those people who called you curvsy

For having to play on OUR goddamn third line

For reason of seeing you in another jersey,

We’re sorry.

Although we’ll say “What’s gotta go must be”

You know we’ll miss you, DP

Gold! I would like the Octane to speak this poem slowly before the next game.

MacT's treatment of Penner was professionally cruel, but done to try and mold some iron in his guts.

Taylor Hall wants the puck, and is as exciting a player to see live as there is. i hope he scores 30 this year, and just might with more Power Play time. He will more than replace Penner on our top line.

Ales is an Oil for life, I hope. I'm hoping a lot here: I know Hope died in Oiler Nation when Smytty wanted that extra dough and was given the Long Island treatment. Heck, even man crushes like Wanye's legendary wood for that traitor Cole are understandable.

As debatable and desperate the many poor moves made since Pronger's Gambit are, the Oil needed this because our blueline is so inconcievably horrible. Remember Ryan Whitney, and pray. and hope. for his health. for us.

Brad Richards!?! I can only dream.

a 1st a 2nd(the condition is LA makes the playoffs they should barring a HUGE collapse and if so we get a better 1rst rounder and a 3rd next year and a solid propect that fills a need in our depth chart its a lot. the pics will too. Dustin wanted out Anyone can see with his wife and home in Cali its where he would choose to be (who wouldn't wouldn't unless you hate your wife and neighbours?

Anyone watch that Detroit vs L.A. game last night. Shades of things to come for the L.A. Kings. The Kings got Penner and still didn't get any faster. Detroit just skated them into the ice. Speed kills. L.A. is a good team, but so is San Jose and we know there playoff history. I guess the next question we need to ask is who will line up with Hemsky and Horcoff? Jones? Brule? Nashville is up tonight. Should be a really good game. 4-2 Oilers.

Between 2000-2004 how about...Zajac, Wolski, Mike Richards, Perry, Frolov, Boyes, Justin Williams, Meszaros, Mike Green, Burns, Kesler, Cam Ward, Volchenkov? Your right...nothing but scrubs between the 20 & 30 picks.

LA did not get faster they just "Got bigger" and that is something the Oilers are not!

Any chance of getting a new page on Oilersnation that lists verified Oiler related twitter accounts?

Twitter sometimes has some gems on it, but it's tough to know if they're legit. I've seen pages where the author claims to be Hall, Smid and others.

Ya I know theirs been some quality guys picked. That is obvious.

I didn't say their were 0, I said the percentages were poor.

Heck just take the list you provided yourself, that's 13 guys out of 50 picks.(including one of the deepest 1st rounds in history)

Do those sound like good odds to you?

I'll never forget the Columbus game last year, where Penner, Hemmer, and Gagner made the most unbelievable comeback I have witnessed since being an Oiler fan. The standing ovation he received, I imagine that was a turning point in his opinion of his time here. Being at the game, it was a pretty emotional moment from what I could see, and seeing the big man on the big screen, you could tell it really touched him.

That moment was and will always be my favourite Dustin Penner memory. I'm going to miss that big galute.