Dangle's Cards: Are the Red Wings ever gonna suck?

Steve Dangle
October 10 2012 11:20AM

Detroit is one of the NHL's last true dynasties. Will it ever stop?
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#1 James Bailey
October 10 2012, 11:23AM
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Once Datsyuk and Zetterberg retire Detroit won't make it...So we could be talking like 5 more years

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#2 Zero_MH
October 10 2012, 11:27AM
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Honestly, since they have Scotty Bowman behind the scenes still with his advice, I'm going to say once bowman retires from the game period in every way, then Detroit perhaps may start to fall apart.

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#3 Josh Howard
October 10 2012, 11:44AM
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Hopefully I'll take my Jimmy Howard Rookie card with this answer....

This is the biggest question we as Wings fans face right now. It's my belief that the Wings will miss the playoffs soon if 1.)The defense doesn't hold steady and 2.) The young guns don't contribute enough. This has been a problem for quite some time. It could be next season, or it could be the year after Pavel Datsyuk retires or Zetterberg or Babcock leaves. There really is no 100% answer to this question. We have the very last pick in the NHL draft playing D for us as a steady player.... that should say something about development. We take our young guys very seriously and will hold them in the AHL as long as it takes to get them to a level where they can at least be serviceable. This is something I don't always see in other clubs. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask me @JHowardDesign on twitter. I don't know it all, but maybe I can give you some perspective from someone in the D. Also, this lockout BLOWS.

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#4 Josh Howard
October 10 2012, 11:48AM
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Zero_MH wrote:

Honestly, since they have Scotty Bowman behind the scenes still with his advice, I'm going to say once bowman retires from the game period in every way, then Detroit perhaps may start to fall apart.

You do realize Bowman's with his son in Chicago... right?

"In July 2008, he took a position as Senior Advisor of Hockey Operations for the Chicago Blackhawks to work along side his son Stan Bowman, who is the General Manager."- From Chicago Blackhawks News July 31, 2008

Holland and company is responsible for the prolonged success. They would rather be ultraconservative when choosing NHL players but go wild in the draft. They do their homework and comb the world for any advantage. It's been long enough that I think we can give the Wings organization without Bowman some serious props.

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#5 Rob
October 10 2012, 11:51AM
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As a Wings fan, I hope it is never, realistically I believe the end is near. Datsyuk is getting old, zetterberg is becoming less productive and they lost their cornerstone Nick Lidstrom. There are numerous variables in this equation, how do their prospects/draft picks turn out ( it's worked out well the last 20 yrs), can Babcock & Holland keep this team on the right track and stay competitive? It's all up in the air. I'd say their reign comes to an end within a few years, yet again people have been calling them old and predicting the fall of the wings since Yzermam retired, and I'd say they have done pretty well since 2006 (even though that year was a colossal fail in the playoffs) But one thing is for sure, living in Windsor, surrounded by Leaf fans(and other Wings fans, Obvs), success sure does breed hate. Or should I say jealousy. I'd give them 5 years MAX

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#6 Rio
October 10 2012, 11:53AM
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The with Lilndtrom gone, they still have Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Howard, Franzen, and Kronwall on the blue line. That being said, they are all getting older, and I'd give it 2-3 more years until they decide to go on a rebuild. The Howard card would be great please. We still have the marlies so GO MARLIES GO!

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#7 JordanAGlass
October 10 2012, 11:53AM
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They will always be awesome. I'm a Leafs fan, but the Red Wings have built a culture of winning. They may not always win the Cup, but they will always find a way into the playoffs.

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#8 Dan
October 10 2012, 12:00PM
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When they lose to the Leafs in the playoffs..lol

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#9 Détroit du Kat
October 10 2012, 12:02PM
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With the departure of Lidstrom and a few other greats the past few years, I'd say if they don't maintain the blue line they could go down in a matter of a few seasons. Here's is why I believe this: If the "new" NHL is meant for more scoring, use that to your advantage. Let the offense score more, but make sure you have fewer goals against you. I feel recently, the Wings have less and less shutouts and one goal games as they once did-- and a lot of other teams have picked up on offense at the same time. If The Wings want to stay in the game, they need to keep the veterans up to par and get a good set of young defense-men for the future.

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#10 haganenodan
October 10 2012, 12:09PM
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I think the Wings will take a step back this year with that mediocre D, but I fully expect them to be a playoff team. The only way I see them NOT being a playoff team in the near future is if their core players are out with injuries for too long. In other words, it will take flukes to make the Wings suck.

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#11 htboston
October 10 2012, 12:10PM
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Hmm when will they suck? maybe in another 10 years? Wait. No. They will never suck. It "Hockey Town" They will find a way every year to improve and win the cup. Detroit is never going away.

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#12 FlareKnight
October 10 2012, 12:30PM
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I may just have to say never. If there is anything reliable when it comes to hockey it's the Wings being successful. Even if they do miss the playoffs at some point, I don't think it'll take them long to bounce back. Draft smart even with late picks and they have the Red Wings label that helps get them discounts (not all the time, but plenty of times).

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#13 Cloutsnchara
October 10 2012, 01:14PM
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As a Wings fan myself hopefully never. Or at least after I'm dead. Those are some awesome cards btw. I don;t think I heard how you got them often enough though ;)

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#14 Cole B.
October 10 2012, 01:22PM
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The wings will not make the playoffs during the 2012-2013 season... oh wait..

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#15 puckhead
October 10 2012, 01:24PM
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I'm not sure they will ever 'suck', but the rose is definitely off of the bloom already. They are mid-tier in the west again. Expect them to always make the playoffs, but not be too dangerous.

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#16 Jacob Burgett
October 10 2012, 01:43PM
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I honestly think the 2012 2013 will be the worst for them if we have a season. They havent replaced lidstrom and they havent really replaced the guys they lost due to free agency. Pavel is 34 still good but gettin up there. Same with zetterberg, He is 32 and i think over the hump of his prime. They lost some great leadership and appear to be older and slower. In the coming years detriot will be a monster team again. The young guys they have now will mature greatly under all of the wings veterans. And finally they have a very nicely stacked prospect roster. which will for sure be a huge force to try an beat. So with lidstrom and guys gettin past there prime i think they wont be very good for this season and next season. Alo i think jimymy howard is also past his prime. He was a monster goal tender towards end of season but i dont think he can compete with guys like miller thomas quick price etc. I would perfer the dual autograph but the howard rookie is still cool with me!!!

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#17 JamesBowdring
October 10 2012, 02:14PM
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Tomas Jurco is looking great for us wings fans. Just watching some of the things he does with the puck amazes me! I have seen him play a couple games live and he always stands out. I've entered in every contest steve has held and this has to be the one I win because I literally am the biggest wings fan there is. I have a rookie Chris Osgood card one of my all time favourite players and I would love to see Jimmy right next to him soo pleaseeeee almighty dangle let this be the one!! FINGERS CROSSED

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#18 DanMan42
October 10 2012, 02:28PM
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I think that eventually there will be a time when Detroit does not make it to the post season. I believe they should be safe in the next 2 years, if howard gets injured or datysuk or zetty fall to injury their chances of clinching may be slim.

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#19 stormer
October 10 2012, 02:46PM
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I don't think Detroit was going to make the playoffs this season because of how much the Western conference has improved and with the departure of Nick Lidstrom and Brad Stuart, I think their defensive core has suffered a lot. Ian White last year was pretty good but how will he fare without one of the best defencemen of all time by his side?

...I guess we won't know BECAUSE LOCKOUT.

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#20 gold4canada
October 10 2012, 02:59PM
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When their front office (ie. Ken Holland) is gone. Player retire, but Red Wings just end up drafting more gems. Their scouts are the best in the NHL.

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#21 ASblendorio71
October 10 2012, 03:09PM
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i think detroit will loose their game soon buttt will get right back up there after a few high draft picks seeing how they are beasts at drafting... i think if the loose babcock detroit failing will happen way sooner

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#22 Zach
October 10 2012, 03:12PM
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I think Detroit will not see the playoffs, or just make the playoffs when the big guys retire, like Datsyuk, and Zetterberg.

Detroit has been super lucky with there drafts, and if what you said does happen, I really don't see them ever falling out of the playoff hunt ever, because like you said, Detroit seems to be always lucky when it comes to the drafts, etc.

I'd love the Double Autograph card, it'd be great!

Thanks, Zach

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#23 Kyle
October 10 2012, 03:16PM
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I think they will always be a good team because they have a young Jimmy Howard in net, and they also draft well. -Kyle Repar

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#24 Uzair
October 10 2012, 03:17PM
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Unfortuntately I don't see Detroit becoming a bad team in the near future because they still have solid goal tending, some good prospects (no one is gonna replace Lidstrom but you have Brendan Smith for example who can help). Zetterberg and Datsyuk might age but Filppula's gotten better, Nyquist and Pulkkinen and Jarnkrok and Jurco are fairly high end fwd prospects and it goes on. Goaltending with Howard isn't elite but fairly solid and it's not like Osgood was ever elite with them, just had to be solid. Coaching is there as well.

I certainly don't think they'll be a contender in the near future though as they were in the past unless they make some major changes but for the next decade, you have to expect them to at least be a playoff team. The only thing I'd be concerned about for Detroit fans is their GM's inability to address some shortcomings this offseason.

The signature card would be cool, I'm an Avs fan so I really would rather take anything non-Red Wings lol.

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#25 ruso91
October 10 2012, 03:22PM
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Give it 2 maybe 3 years when datsyuk and zetterberg start to slow dow n

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#26 Linas Gilius
October 10 2012, 03:30PM
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I honestly think the Red Wings are going to be an awful team after they lose key guys like Datsyuk,Zetterberg,Bertuzzi, and Franzen. They have solid goaltending, but their defenseman are fairly old as well. They're prospects are pretty decent but no one who could be the backbone of their team. Detriot doensn't have a bright future.

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#27 Lanxi
October 10 2012, 03:38PM
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Can't ever picture their squad ever becoming Leafs-like, but I'm afraid that the Red Wings are going to slip into mediocrity. Lidstrom was such a big part of Detroit's identity and I don't know how much his departure will impact the team. Guess it's time for Datsyuk to put the team on his back do.

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#28 Mike992
October 10 2012, 04:23PM
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Some of the Wings recent/current stars were drafted in the following positions: Lidstrom 53rd, Franzen 97th, Howard 64th, Filppula 95th, and can you really believe Datsyuk 171st and Zetterberg 210th!!!!! They have also taken guys known for on ice and/or off ice problems (Bertuzzi, Cleary, and now Tootoo) and have brought out some of their best years of hockey.

This organization demands the best not only out of their players but out of the GM, Scouts, coaches, etc. As long as that level of expectation remains within the organization, the consistent results will continue on the ice and if they do happen to miss the playoffs, I can't imagine it will last very long.

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#29 Justin C
October 10 2012, 05:50PM
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Yes. Once Datsyuk and Zetteberg and Franzen are gone.

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#30 Christian
October 10 2012, 08:27PM
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The Detroit Red Wings are probably one of the most successful francises in the NHL, but their time is finally running out with Lindstrom retiring, its only a matter of time now. Both Datsyuk and zetterberg are in their 30s and are only getting older. With lack of depth and prospects I see the red wings enter the rebuilding stage in about 2-3 years.

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#31 oats
October 10 2012, 08:32PM
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I think that the Red Wings would be on the fence this season if there is one, and unless they get some major assets going into 2013-14, they won't make it that year. By the way Steve, have you announced the winners of either of the last two videos?

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#32 ZachWeil1
October 10 2012, 09:27PM
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Probbly in 5-10 years because henrick zetterberg and datsyuk need too retire then the wings will suck lol oilers will have one the cup tho lol

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#33 Kevy10
October 10 2012, 10:15PM
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I believe the Red Wings are coming close to there end. I'd say the 2014- 15 season they will not make the playoffs.

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#34 JustHereForDangle'sCards
October 10 2012, 11:35PM
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I may be a little biased, and I don't think it'll last forever, but I think another 4 or 5 years could be a possibility.

It's going to mainly depend on the players like Filppula, Helm, Abdelkader, Smith, Kindl and all the current Wings prospects. If they can make the step up like the players that have come before them, I don't see why the success can't continue.

Jimmy Howard is another important piece, can he be a reliable presence in net, or will they be forced to look elsewhere.

If they do decide they need to bring in players from elsewhere in the league, I believe the Red Wings have that winning reputation that could get them almost any player they set their sights on.

There are a lot of things that could go wrong, but they haven't for a long time, so I think there'll be a few more years of postseason hockey in Detroit.

(The Jimmy Howard card would be nice if you pick me as a winner, thanks)

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#35 Tougie24
October 11 2012, 02:29AM
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They've drafted decently over the past few years, so prospects like Tomas Tatar, Martin Frk and Petr Mrazek could do well for them. Obviously it depends on the attitude of the team, when certain key players retire, if Babcock leaves, etc.

Maybe it's just because I'm so used to the Wings being a very good playoff team that I just don't remember what it's like to see them have a bad season, but I don't see them being a bad team for another 7-10 years if not more.

They just have a great plan when it comes to philosophy, drafting strategy and of course having the legacy that they do it's quite easy for them to sign top notch free agents and will more than likely become easier once some of their top guys do retire, and it clears 3-5 Million worth of space.

Plus, as Bill Clement always likes to say in the NHL games "Every player would love to play in Detroit". Paraphrasing of course, lately Bill's been too busy giving me positive feedback while Gary Thorne calls me the worst person to ever walk the face of the Earth.

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#36 tyson
October 11 2012, 07:31AM
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I imagine that, the world ends this year in December, then an afterworLd, or new world is created, ... Sidney Crosby has a full beard, Dan Cloutier wins the Vezina, the Leafs are back-to-back cup champions and the Red Wings suck

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#37 Stephen Green
October 13 2012, 11:28AM
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I think the Red Wings will falter in the next 2-3 Seasons, Lidstrom is, as you said irreplaceable on the D-line. And the rest of the team isn't getting any younger. As one of the oldest (possibly the) teams in the league you have to suspect that it is going to happen, but with the Red Wings nothing is a sure thing. (Leafs fans all know that feeling) A sure thing to get into the playoffs then a 17 game winless streak... sucked. Regardless of my personal angst, 2014-15 season would be my guess.

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#38 Stephen Green
October 13 2012, 11:30AM
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@James Bailey

James? (If you live in Calgary then it is you) Never thought I would see you here. Text me sometime

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#39 Joshua Mossop
October 14 2012, 09:15AM
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I think it depends. The red wings organization will be in a bit of trouble after zetterberg and datsyuk retire but what will effect them the most is if their draft picks pan out. I agree that potentially five years is a good guess but if Kne holland and Mike Ilitch continue to wave the magival wand over their ability to draft so well than the dynasty could go on on for a very long time especially if Brendan Smith, Thomas Tartar and others pan out as well as they been perceived

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