GOOD ARROWS

Lowetide
October 14 2012 09:57AM

The Edmonton Oilers have a lot of prospects either in the system, in junior, college or European leagues. We're early into the regular season in most of these leagues and early returns for the top 20 (and beyond) is very positive.

Top 20 from September is here, updates below.

  1. L Nail Yakupov, Neftekhimik (KHL) 6, 4-2-6 -1. First class start from a young impact player. Shoots a ton, gets into high percentage offensive areas, and he handled the Hockey Canada-IIHF fiasco with aplomb. There are no down arrows for this young player. Massive talent.
  2. D Justin Schultz, OKC (AHL) 2, 1-1-2 E. Has captured the imagination of Oilers Nation with his performances in the first two regular season games. Terrific puck handler, he's involved a lot in plays from the neutral zone into offensive zone. Aggressive player, we don't really know about him defensively (yet) but there's a big brain, some ridiculous puck handling skills and a lot of confidence. I would hope (and pray) the Barons find a LH defender who can play Dallas Smith to Schultz's Bobby Orr.
  3. D Oscar Klefbom, Farjestad (SEL) 11, 0-3-3 +7. A stunning early portion of the season has SEL observers talking in grand terms about his future. Calm feet, good decisions, his poke checks alone are worth the price of admission. I think it is fairly accepted now that Klefbom will be in North America next season--likely in the NHL.
  4. D Martin Marincin, OKC (AHL) 2, 1-0-1 +1. Big defender is finding his way in pro hockey after a solid junior career. I'm not enamored about his being paired with Schultz--both are rookie pro's and Marincin is going to have to be the stay-at-home part of the pairing--that isn't really his game. That quibble aside, from what I've seen of him we should be pleased with Marincin. Although he's made some errors that have led directly to goals and chances, rookie defensemen develop slowly and we should be patient. Overall, good arrows. 
  5. D Martin Gernat, Edmonton (WHL). The first down arrow on the list, and for a couple of reasons. First, a shoulder injury that will apparently have him out for some time (and unlikely to play at par when he returns). Second, there seemed to be some confusion about his injury and where he should have surgery coming from the OK camp; lack of communication is a troubling sign.
  6. L Teemu Hartikainen, OKC (AHL). 2, 0-1-1 E. Fans of the Finn (like myself) are used to slow starts, and his performance in game one of the regular season was distressing. However, Hartikainen played much better in game two and looks to have fit in nicely on the 3line. This is a huge season for Harski.
  7. R Tobias Rieder, Kitchener (OHL). 7,  1-5-6 -1. Last season after 7 games (5-5-10 +6) we were talking about a possible impact player. This season, he's started a little slower but there's no doubt the Oilers have a splendid prospect in Rieder. We've discussed his ability to play in all three disciplines before, and he's doing it again this season. Can't wait to see him in OKC.
  8. G Tyler Bunz, Stockton (ECHL). 2, 1.00 .952 A very impressive start for Bunz, as he follows the career path of Dubnyk and the other Oiler goalies over the last several seasons. He hasn't been busy (20 shots per game average) and that SP will fall down over the season. Still, impressive start.
  9. L Daniil Zharkov, Belleville (OHL). 9, 2-2-4 +1. Like Rieder, young Zharkov's start a year ago (9, 7-4-11 +4) turned a lot of heads. This season, he's off to a slower start but is still getting PP time and should improve his current numbers. Belleville is playing well, but their GF total is subpar despite the wins. They'll need more from Zharkov to contend.
  10. R Tyler Pitlick, OKC (AHL). 2, 0-1-1 +2. Leads the Barons with 8 shots on goal and from the action I've seen this is a player who "gets" his role. Looks better equipped to win battles this season to my eye, he certainly shows determination along the wall. The question is offense, and coach Nelson is giving him a massive opportunity.
  11. G Olivier Roy, OKC (AHL). 2, 2.00 .949. Roy performed well in his one game with OKC, and it is very interesting to see him get in games this early. Coach Nelson talked about playing Roy quite a bit this season and he'll be challenged in front of the current blue. Another great opportunity.
  12. D David Musil, Vancouver (WHL). 9, 2-5-7 E. At this point he's a man among boys and clearly the class of the Vancouver defensive group. The Giants are struggling this season and I wonder if the Oil Kings might come calling at some point. Excited to see Musil join the pro kids on defense.
  13. D Colten Teubert, OKC (AHL). 2, 0-0-0 E. When chaos rules the day--and face it, the OKC Barons have FOUR rookie pro's on the ice right now along the D--a calm presence is a welcome sight. I've been impressed with his physical play and quiet feet. He might be overlooked by the casual fan, but Oilers Nation knows the value of a defenseman who can stand in there and make the right play when things get dicey. At the AHL level, that's Teubert.
  14. L Mitch Moroz, Edmonton (WHL) 9, 0-4-4 +1. Moroz began the season on a skill line but has been moving up and down the lineup. Still, Moroz has been supplying the team with physical play (he had a big fight on Friday night against Calgary) and filling a role. I'd give money to know how the Oilers feel about the way this player is being handled.
  15. D Dillon Simpson, UND (NCAA). Not much to update, the North Dakota Something Something's have only played a couple of exhibition  games. The thing to keep in mind about this player is that he's been taking a regular shift in NCAA hockey at an extremely young age. That will benefit him later on as he grows stronger.
  16. L Jujhar Khaira, Michigan Tech (NCAA) 2, 0-1-1 E. Khaira has 15 pims already, a reflection of a hit from behind in game one. Big winger with toughness and skill, he's a pretty interesting prospect.
  17. L Curtis Hamilton, OKC (AHL). 1, 0-0-0 -1. At the beginning of last season, we talked about him in the same way we discussed Tyler Pitlick. Those days are gone, and Hamilton played only one weekend game in Cleveland. He's a skilled player with two-way ability, but I think the most positive thing we can say is that Hamilton's timeline to the NHL will meander.
  18. D Erik Gustafsson, Djurgaden (Allsvenskan) 9, 1-1-2 +5. A solid start to the season, Gustafsson has been getting some solid reviews over the last few weeks. Oilers may have selected an obscure player based on final draft lists, but appears to be a player.
  19. D Brandon Davidson, OKC (AHL). 2, 0-0-0 E. Young defender doing some good things and struggling at others. Hey, rookie defenseman should be defined by this credo (imo): survival is success. There's miles to go, and I do believe he'd be better served by playing on a team with more experience, but if wishes were horses beggars would ride.
  20. D Taylor Fedun, OKC (AHL). 2, 0-0-0 E. He's looked fine to my eye, I think he'll emerge as more of a top 4 option as the season wears on. Fedun's skill set--two way defender--fits nicely with this group and I think a youngster like Marincin might benefit from playing alongside.

AND.......

I didn't have Ryan Martindale in my top 20 (rightly so) but his impressive early season (2, 0-2-2 +2 and winning a top 6F job) should serve as a reminder about how quickly fortunes can turn. A year ago, we were talking about Phil Cornet and Martindale was ECHL bound, and this season the roles are reversed.

This prospect development thing isn't an exact science, and Martindale's fall reminds us of it.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Since Taylor Hall was drafted, the Oilers top 20 lists have been ridiculous. This continues through today, with Yakupov, Schultz and the rest representing top level potential and a strong tomorrow.

I also wanted to take a moment to mention the 2010 NHL Entry draft for the Oilers. Hall (NHL), Pitlick, Marincin, Hamilton, Martindale, Davidson, Pelss (AHL) and Bunz (ECHL) are all in pro hockey today. Kellen Jones is still in school, Jeremie Blain recently signed an AHL contract and Drew Czerwonka's back with Kootenay as an overager.

Good draft, Stu and the boys. Will it be a great one? That's what is being decided in OKC and Stockton. Good arrows, folks. Good arrows.

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#51 Sliderule
October 14 2012, 04:40PM
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@LT Is DSF living in your basement.

You barely start typing and he has some assinine comment .

I don't mind intelligent commentary but this guy takes the cake

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#52 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
October 14 2012, 04:51PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh, so now the difference is ownership?

Or what market you play in?

Leafs should be perennial cup winners if that's the case.

Maybe something else is going on...like management?

what is the link to your blog?

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#53 Pouzar99
October 14 2012, 06:09PM
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Why people continue to engage with DSF is beyond me. He's only trolling and catching lots of fish as usual. Wake up folks.

The only thing I can see stopping the Oilers from having a very competitive team for a lot of years LT is goaltending, as well as career-ending injuries of course. The kids need more experience and the lineup needs to get bigger, but if only two of Klefbom, Musil, Marcinin, Gernat, Teubert and company prove to be NHLers they are very solid on D going forward, a place where they currently lack depth.

In net I am optimistic about Dubnyk but he has a lot to prove. Can he be not only a true Number One, but a well above average one? Could well be, but far from sure. Roy and Bunz are a promising pair, but is there a top ten NHler in the system? Good chance, but who knows?

The Flyers have had terrific talent for most of the last 20 years but the inability to find that top goaltender since Pelle smashed up his Porsche has extended their Cup-less streak to 37 years and it look like the latest attempt is a bit of a bust.

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#54 OilClog
October 14 2012, 06:21PM
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Nuge isn't a prospect still? Yet he's still an option for the world jr's.. Crazy.

If the NHL doesn't start, I'm excited to see Yakupov, RNH, and Klef possibly all square off at the jr's. Oilers will be all the headlines, DSF will rage on.

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#55 DSF
October 14 2012, 07:46PM
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What an immeasurable crock.

Having 3 or 4 high end prospects guarantees a long run in the playoffs like the Islanders.

Or not.

Building a real contender takes smarts, not drafting high in several consecutive years.

You people are so sad.

Kevin Connauton...1GP 2A +4.

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#56 DSF
October 14 2012, 08:16PM
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BTW, keep an eye on JC Lipon, a Colorado undrafted invitee who is absolutely killing it in the WHL with the Kamloops Blazers.

9G, 13A 22P in 9GP

Jeebus.

How is that Moroz kid doing?

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#57 John Chambers
October 14 2012, 08:47PM
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@DSF

It must be raining in Van today. And you have no lady to pay attention to you.

You should get a lady.

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#58 DSF
October 14 2012, 08:50PM
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John Chambers wrote:

It must be raining in Van today. And you have no lady to pay attention to you.

You should get a lady.

I have a lady.

And I don't live in Van.

Being stupid is hardly confined to losers without a lady in Vancouver.

See most of the above for reference.

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#59 victor
October 14 2012, 09:11PM
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@DSF, you think Kevin Connauton will be a good replacement for Edler? Sounds like he's wanting the big contract, and Vanc. doesn't have the cap space.

Could make some room by dumping Luongo's contract in Florida, but I don't know what else Gillis would have to include. Evidently, Tallon's not going to give up anything of value, and Luongo has the hammer.

That said - I kind of hope that Luongo sticks around in Van. Would be fun to see $6m in cap space opening and closing the gate for Schneider.

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#60 OILgarchy
October 14 2012, 09:12PM
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OilClog wrote:

Nuge isn't a prospect still? Yet he's still an option for the world jr's.. Crazy.

If the NHL doesn't start, I'm excited to see Yakupov, RNH, and Klef possibly all square off at the jr's. Oilers will be all the headlines, DSF will rage on.

Yeah having those 3 all play would be insane and probably unprecedented for one team to have 3 players of that profile. All 3 would make the all-tournament team, and 2 would play eachother in the Gold medal game. Just like Yak and Klef played last year in the GMG.

The Oilers prospects will be the talk of the tourney yet again, just like year we had Ebs and Hall. Just an insane group.

Smart strategy for the Oilers to acquire top picks in a cluster like this. Who cares about undrafted juniors and 3rd rounders when the draft list over the last 4 years looks like the Oilers' does.

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#61 John Chambers
October 14 2012, 09:16PM
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@DSF

I want to introduce you to my favorite glaucoma remedy. Takes the edge off the fact that not everyone on earth is going to agree with you, while helping one refrain from approaching every divergent opinion with malice.

Makes food taste better. And you pay more attention to your lady.

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#62 DSF
October 14 2012, 09:28PM
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victor wrote:

@DSF, you think Kevin Connauton will be a good replacement for Edler? Sounds like he's wanting the big contract, and Vanc. doesn't have the cap space.

Could make some room by dumping Luongo's contract in Florida, but I don't know what else Gillis would have to include. Evidently, Tallon's not going to give up anything of value, and Luongo has the hammer.

That said - I kind of hope that Luongo sticks around in Van. Would be fun to see $6m in cap space opening and closing the gate for Schneider.

Who knows?

You don't.

Neither do I.

We'll see.

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#63 DSF
October 14 2012, 09:30PM
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John Chambers wrote:

I want to introduce you to my favorite glaucoma remedy. Takes the edge off the fact that not everyone on earth is going to agree with you, while helping one refrain from approaching every divergent opinion with malice.

Makes food taste better. And you pay more attention to your lady.

I really don't care if anyone agrees with me.

Conventional wisdom is almost always wrong.

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#64 DSF
October 14 2012, 09:31PM
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OILgarchy wrote:

Yeah having those 3 all play would be insane and probably unprecedented for one team to have 3 players of that profile. All 3 would make the all-tournament team, and 2 would play eachother in the Gold medal game. Just like Yak and Klef played last year in the GMG.

The Oilers prospects will be the talk of the tourney yet again, just like year we had Ebs and Hall. Just an insane group.

Smart strategy for the Oilers to acquire top picks in a cluster like this. Who cares about undrafted juniors and 3rd rounders when the draft list over the last 4 years looks like the Oilers' does.

Yeah, losing is always a smart strategy.

Problem is losing begets more losing.

Watch.

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#65 John Chambers
October 14 2012, 09:31PM
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I was really just saying you sound like a dick.

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#66 victor
October 14 2012, 09:37PM
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DSF wrote:

Who knows?

You don't.

Neither do I.

We'll see.

So - only for Edmonton you can predict the future?

That said - I'd hoped you'd point out my math error. Luongo will only consume a cap hit of 5.3 million to open and close the gate for Schneider.

I would have countered with questioning whether your math was better than Gillis', especially in offering a contract like Luongo's with his custom NTC. "NTC (player can supply five-team trade list following final game of 2013-14, valid through July 15, 2014; if player does not submit trade list at that time, team can request a five-team trade list following final game of 2017-18 season, valid through Sept. 1, 2018). If player submitted a trade list in 2014 and was not moved, team loses right to request trade list in 2018."

Wow. That's some "great general mangering" going on there. Good thing the Sedins are aren't on the wrong side of 30, and that high picks like Grabner and CoHo will carry the team.

That said - you didn't take the bait. Guess I need to work on my trolling.

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#67 DSF
October 14 2012, 09:45PM
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victor wrote:

So - only for Edmonton you can predict the future?

That said - I'd hoped you'd point out my math error. Luongo will only consume a cap hit of 5.3 million to open and close the gate for Schneider.

I would have countered with questioning whether your math was better than Gillis', especially in offering a contract like Luongo's with his custom NTC. "NTC (player can supply five-team trade list following final game of 2013-14, valid through July 15, 2014; if player does not submit trade list at that time, team can request a five-team trade list following final game of 2017-18 season, valid through Sept. 1, 2018). If player submitted a trade list in 2014 and was not moved, team loses right to request trade list in 2018."

Wow. That's some "great general mangering" going on there. Good thing the Sedins are aren't on the wrong side of 30, and that high picks like Grabner and CoHo will carry the team.

That said - you didn't take the bait. Guess I need to work on my trolling.

Good grief.

Luongo will almost certainly be traded and you'll look like a fool.

Like now.

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#68 DSF
October 14 2012, 09:45PM
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John Chambers wrote:

I was really just saying you sound like a dick.

And?

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#69 victor
October 14 2012, 10:06PM
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DSF wrote:

Good grief.

Luongo will almost certainly be traded and you'll look like a fool.

Like now.

Could be. Personally, I think Tallon's an excellent GM, and Luongo's heading for Florida. The return will be amusing - what (specifically) do you think the return will be?

Personally, I think that Vancouver could use a prospect and a pick. Since 2005, they've developed Mason Raymond (2005 51st) Michael Grabner (2006 14th) and Cody Hodgson (2008 10th) I don't see any other NHL'ers.

For what's left over, it's a pretty weak crop. That said - all it takes is a good signing, like Justin Schultz, to really improve.

Perhaps Vancouver should look into that, you think, instead of the Luongo fiasco?

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#70 OILgarchy
October 14 2012, 10:14PM
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victor wrote:

@DSF, you think Kevin Connauton will be a good replacement for Edler? Sounds like he's wanting the big contract, and Vanc. doesn't have the cap space.

Could make some room by dumping Luongo's contract in Florida, but I don't know what else Gillis would have to include. Evidently, Tallon's not going to give up anything of value, and Luongo has the hammer.

That said - I kind of hope that Luongo sticks around in Van. Would be fun to see $6m in cap space opening and closing the gate for Schneider.

Gillis is probably praying that Connauton is Edlers replacement, he doesnt have anything else in the pipe. Too bad for him he couldnt sign a Shultz... or draft a Klefbom. Weak management.

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#71 OILgarchy
October 14 2012, 10:16PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah, losing is always a smart strategy.

Problem is losing begets more losing.

Watch.

Just like PIT, CHI, and LA right? Just watch ;)

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#72 victor
October 14 2012, 10:25PM
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@OILgarchy

Yeah. Watching the "Luongo" trade watch is a train wreck.

Could you imagine what DSF would post if Edmonton wasted assets like Luongo and Cody Hodgson?

I think he actually thinks that Vancouver is well managed.

The Sedins are on the wrong side of 30, Edler's looking for the big bucks, Luongo's looking for his one-way ticket to the sunshine state, and Vancouver has developed less than a handful of real NHL players in the last seven years.

Edmonton has been to the same number of Stanley Cup finals in the last decade. Yes, they've tanked (clearly) All they have to show for it is Hall, Hopkins, Eberle, Petry, and the list above.

"But, the president's trophies!!!!"

Vancouver has been a contender. They're looking more and more like San Jose, and less like Detroit and Chicago every day.

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#73 Wanyes bastard child
October 14 2012, 10:37PM
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I'M A TROLL, FEED MEH!!!!

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#74 book¡e
October 15 2012, 02:47AM
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DSF wrote:

I really don't care if anyone agrees with me.

Conventional wisdom is almost always wrong.

Actually, that's wrong. If it were true, we would likely have perished as a species well before the agricultural revolution even. Imprecise or imperfect, but not really wrong.

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#75 Bryanbryoil
October 15 2012, 02:57PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh, I have no doubt the Oilers have some nice high end talent at the top of the roster but they are far from the only team in that position.

And, relying on 6 good players to guarantee "several deep runs" is just hilarious.

Look no further than the LA Kings who not only have a ridiculously talented top 6, a defense that includes Doughty and Voynov, a Conn Smyth winner in goal AND still has a prospect pool that, other than Yakupov, is at least the equal of the Oilers.

I know it's hard to believe, but Doughty is only 6 months older than Shultz and Voynov is the same age however both are already impact players in the NHL and are wearing cup rings.

Then you look at the forward prospects the Kings still have in their system:

Bud Holloway - leads the SEL in scoring.

Oscar Moller - 7 points in 8GP SEL

Tyler Toffoli - OHL goal scoring champion with 52G and 100P in 65GP

Linden Vey - 43 points as an AHL rookie

Jordan Weal - 41 goals and 116 points in the WHL last season

Brandon Kozun - 20 goals and 46 points in his rookie AHL season

Now, not all of their prospects are likely to be successful in the NHL (like you're counting on for the Oilers list) and, given LA's already loaded top 6 but if looking for up arrows....there you are.

It would seem LA and (upon closer examination) teams like MInny, who will be adding Granlund, Coyle,Phillips, Zucker, Larsson, Bulmer and Palmieri to their NHL roster as soon as this season might have something to say about those "deep runs".

Hell, STL managed 109 points last season and were the best defensive team in hockey but have Tarasenko, Rattie, Schwartz and Ian Cole ready to join the ranks. How 'bout them arrows?

As for Vancouver, the one huge advantage they have is a smart GM who I'm sure won't sit idly by while Tambellini waits for his prospects to ripen.

And really, falling back on winning cups as a current measure of the quality of an organization, makes you look like a Leafs fan.

The Leafs have 13 cup wins!

Howdy DSF, long time no see. I must say that you are completely out to lunch in your love of LA's prospect list. LA has nowhere near the quality of prospects that the Oilers do, they traded Schenn and their 2011 1st and 2012 3rd to us which really put a dent in that list, they have some promising role players like Nolan and King in their system. However guys like Toffoli, Forbort, and Hickey are no match for what we have in our system beyond Yakupov. Moeller and Holloway are as solid of NHL prospects as Shirokov and Sweatt were, we probably won't see any in the NHL anytime soon, unless of course the owners use less talented replacement players, then maybe they'll have a shot.

What you should be trumpeting however is LA's current NHL depth and core (Doughty, Quick, Kopitar, Richards, Voynov, Carter, etc.) and how many years they will be solid players, on that basis you have a leg to stand on, on the basis of their prospects > or = ours = complete fantasy. There are very damn few teams with similar prospect quality and depth, Minnesota and maybe Florida off the top of my head, LA is nowhere near that list neither are the Canucks.

BTW-Jensen looks like a solid young player for your Canucks.

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#76 hunkybill
October 15 2012, 02:58PM
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DSF You get people talking and thinking about things they don't want to. Makes for more debate. That's good. Time will tell who is correct on success of Oilers

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