SOME SERIOUS BS WITH SMYTH

Wanye
March 12 2012 01:05PM

 

Every now and again your ol' pal Wanye will stumble on information while standing in line at the bottle depot. It doesn't happen often and we don't make stuff up the rest of the time like other fake named internet bloggers.* So you can trust us when we say that the Oil are jerking around Ryan Smyth and that it is another example of how the organization is effing up in so many ways.

We recently had a conversation with someone connected to the Smyth camp. And when we say had a conversation it was the farthest thing from pretending to be some puffed up Media wannabe. No we came across as a tearful Oiler fan happy to be talking to someone who knows the scoop with Smytty.

This is the second time we have had a chat with this cat. The last time ol' #94 was still an LA King. At the time we drunkenly pleaded “Smytty needs to come home. He is probably peeling from the Sun down in LA and we miss him so much” before dissolving into tears and needing to be led away.

As we were being dragged from the conversation, this person lifted our spirits to the moon when they called out “that isn’t the craziest thing you’ve ever said. He does want to return to Edmonton, not because he doesn’t like LA but because he wants to come home for the rest of his career.”

ONE YEAR LATER

Almost a year to the day we ran into them again and gushed about how happy we were that ol’ Smytty was back where he belonged in Oil City. “An then he scored all them goals and he looked so happy and then the NUUUUUUUGE was happy and Eberle already has 30 goals an then Taylor Head got his coconut stomped on an we were all so sad an then -” began our “interview.”

“You know,” the person replied good humouredly, “it’s great how happy you are to have Ryan back in the fold. He is thrilled too and honestly can’t believe the reception Oilers fans have given him. It is killing him how contract talks are going and that he doesn’t have an offer yet from the Oilers.”

INSERT OUR STUNNED SILENCE HERE

Doesn’t have an offer? How is this possible we wondered – ostensibly in our head but infact aloud continuing the most painful conversation this poor person has probably had in months. “Well when he was considering leaving LA the Flames came to the table to make a serious pitch for him. He certainly didn’t ever think too hard about going to Calgary (insert our relieved face here) and then Katz phoned him personally and said that if he came back to Edmonton it would be for the rest of his career.”

“Then at the deadline he had heard rumours the Oilers were listening to offers for him. It didn’t go very far but that plus the fact they haven’t made him an offer even though the season is winding down is upsetting for him. He just wants some stability and to stay in Edmonton for the rest of his career. It’s too bad really.”

TOO BAD DOESN'T BEGIN TO CAPTURE IT

First of all Ryan Smyth is a Saint and the best Oiler in the past 20 years hands down. Guys with his heart, devotion to the team and long term output come along once in a blue moon. His shoddy treatment by this organization disgraces us all.

We would rather the entire brass, coaching staff and front office be summarily fired and shipped out of country than for Ryan Smyth to have another moment of his unhappiness on their account.

This organization doesn't deserve Ryan Smyth and it seems convinced to prove this time and time again. Think a world class outfit like Detroit would treat it's Ryan Smyth like this? Right.

WHAT IS GOING ON?

What about all the talk we saw on the TSN that said they were in talks with Smyth? How does a franchise that has serious issues inspiring loyalty among players, a franchise with a reputation for alienating NHLers and a franchise who has already boggled the ball with Smyth once allow these things to go into the eleventh hour?

This reminds us of the BS between the Oilers and Hemsky as was reported so well by Jason Gregor a few weeks back:

 “The trade deadline is 24 days away, and so far Ales Hemsky hasn't heard anything from the Oilers regarding his future with or without the team. How is this possible? Does Steve Tambellini believe that top-six forwards grow on trees, and that it will be easy to replace Hemsky?”

“It is ridiculous that the Oilers haven't approached him with anything significant to see if he'd be willing to re-sign. Maybe they will have differing opinions on terms of a new deal, but if the Oilers don't at least approach him and his agent then they have failed big-time in trying to ensure that this team becomes competitive.”

YOU KNOW

For an organization that has made some puzzling signings in the past 24 months – Barker and the three year contracts for Belanger and Eager spring to mind – how is it that the Oilers leave cornerstone contracts like Hemsky and Smyth contracts until the 11th hour?

This front office is something else. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the slow painful climb out of the league basement does it? We can't wait until this abrasive group are focusing their attention on re-signing Hall, Eberle and our precious Nuge.

SIGN SMYTTY FOR HEAVEN’S SAKES TAMBO. WE KNOW YOU READ THIS**

*Confirmed E5

** He doesn’t.

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#151 Clyde Frog
March 12 2012, 08:09PM
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zed fox wrote:

12-13 season as a third line left winger. Not what we need. Let him go.

Yes, because all contenders are built out of rookies and having a vet with some actual gamesmanship is obviously terrible.

A player who has come back into a game after half his teeth were scraped up off the ice only 10 minutes earlier, is not the type of character you build a team out of...

Why even make an offer? Who cares that he is number 3 in scoring on our team right now...

Especially since he made 6.25 million this season... His take home before taxes was 4.5 but I am sure that is just some sort of mumbo jumbo to save on taxes, obviously he will want 6.5 million next time!

Good on Tambellini for not even wasting time on this player, just another boat anchor making too much money... Right boys? ***

*** Starred for those who only read the last paragraph... That last paragraph was sarcasm!

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#152 SteadyEd
March 12 2012, 08:16PM
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@SteadyEd

Clowe, Perry, Hartnell? Should I continue?

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#153 SteadyEd
March 12 2012, 08:20PM
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How about Brouwer, J. Stall or Getzlaf?

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#154 Clyde Frog
March 12 2012, 08:27PM
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SteadyEd wrote:

How about Brouwer, J. Stall or Getzlaf?

Are you looking at this summer or next years? I can see how not signing Smyth this year will help us sign all those guys 2 years from now...

The fact you didn't see Smyth in your Capgeek list didn't tip you off?

Lol

http://capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2012&team_id=-1&position_id=F&fa_type_id=2

Your illustrious list adjusted for the coming free agent period...

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#155 Wanyes bastard child
March 12 2012, 08:31PM
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@Clyde Frog

Stop making sense, your making my brain hurt.

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#156 SteadyEd
March 12 2012, 08:33PM
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Yup I'm talking about 2013. Iginla, Neil, Torres....

Again- Smyth for I year at 2 million. Max.

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#157 Clyde Frog
March 12 2012, 08:41PM
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SteadyEd wrote:

Yup I'm talking about 2013. Iginla, Neil, Torres....

Again- Smyth for I year at 2 million. Max.

Lol, yes none of the teams who have those players now will try and sign them...

We also better limit our 3rd best scorer to 2 million on a one year term! If we pay him more on a 1 year contract that will somehow affect our ability to sign your fantasy worlds worth of free agents next year.

That all makes sense... complete sense...

Damn, you need to keep dropping truth bombs on us Ed!

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#158 SteadyEd
March 12 2012, 08:46PM
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I like Smyth. I just don't see him as a very good 3rd line winger. He's not going to be anything more at his age and skill set. IMO.

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#159 Clyde Frog
March 12 2012, 09:03PM
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SteadyEd wrote:

I like Smyth. I just don't see him as a very good 3rd line winger. He's not going to be anything more at his age and skill set. IMO.

Smyth has character in abundance, gamesmanship in abundance, can produce right now like a decent 2nd line LW player.

You don't make winners by dumping people who produce for nothing and handing ice time to unproven AHL players...

You make the kids take their spot by out-producing and out-working them. You keep players who can and do produce on your team and rotate those who can't. Smyth is #3 in scoring, so I'm not sure why we are so hot to drop him.

Also I will bet the 2013 free-agent list will look MUCH different this time next year, in much the same way as this 2012's did.

So staring at the free-agent list now is not a good way to build your team.

Lastly 40+ points on your third line == very, very good third line production... (Especially if that player is #3 in production on your team)

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#160 marconiusE
March 12 2012, 09:28PM
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@Wanye

Of course it's his cap hit. If you're talking about his performance over a 5 year contract, doesn't it make sense to talk about a cap hit?

If you prefer:

Year 1: I don't think 7.5 million was worth 14 goals Year 2: I don't think 7.25 million was worth 26 goals Year 3: I don't think 6.5 million was worth 22 goals Year 4: I don't think 5.5 million was worth 23 goals Year 5: I don't think 4.5 million was worth 19 goals

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#161 marconiusE
March 12 2012, 09:32PM
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Wanye: Did you not post the following:

If this is what you think of 94 you need to take a long look at your status as a Ryan Smyth fan. People thought he wouldn't live up to his last contract and clearly that wasn't the case.

How can you make the argument that he lived up to his last contract? A contract where he averaged 6.25/year? Why would only his last year at 4.5/year be relevant when talking about his performance for the duration of the 5 years?

Colour me confused (but at least I have no calving to do)

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#162 SteadyEd
March 12 2012, 10:04PM
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#94 blows the dump, misses the tip (causes icing call) then throws a fit at the ref because its all his fault. Character, skill and leadership.

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#163 The Beaker
March 12 2012, 10:43PM
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SteadyEd wrote:

#94 blows the dump, misses the tip (causes icing call) then throws a fit at the ref because its all his fault. Character, skill and leadership.

Least he gives a shat.

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#164 Slats
March 12 2012, 11:19PM
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Dallylamma wrote:

"Yeah, we make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money too."

- Patrick Ewing

Latrell Spreewell "I've got my family to feed"

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#165 Hogan
March 12 2012, 11:46PM
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Im kinda curious as to what Ruben & Smytty's spokespersons think how respect is defined. Giving Smytty what he wants? Giving him 3 mil a year? Giving him 2.5 a year for 3. And given Smyttys act over the past number of years (going for the $$$ at every opportunity), how does he show respect? After all, hes the guy that begged & cajoled to get back to Edmonton, which the Oilers accomodated with little to no upside to the Oilers,. Hows Smytty going to show his respect?

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#166 Ed in Mada
March 13 2012, 03:51AM
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Cru Jones wrote:

You're right, the cap doesn't matter. Let's re-sign him for 16 million over 4 years because we really like his hair n' stuff.

That would fall in line with signing Hemsky after 3 brutal years becasue he is a pretty skater.

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#167 gcw_rocks
March 13 2012, 07:36AM
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Wanye wrote:

MY EYES

HE DOESN'T MAKE 6.25 MILLION A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS THAT'S HIS CAP HIT WHERE IS MY GUN

Come on, his cap hit is his average salary over the 5 years. As his actual salary was less than the cap hit in the last 2 years of the deal. During the first three years he was paid:

$7.5M $7.25M $6.5M

For this he delivered: 37 points 59 points 53 points

That's on par with Horcoff (50, 53, 36pts), and we all beleive his contract is bloated. So, "I don't think 25 goals/year was worth 6.25 million for 5 years." is a fair comment because that's how most deals are described. Sure it is more accurate to say $32M over 5 years, but who says that?

But if you look at his point totals over the 5 years of his deal, it is a REAL stretch to call it a fair contract, let alone a value contract.

I get the Smyth love. But he took the Avs to the cleaners. Good for him, his family, and his agent. But when you get that contract, you will always be judged by how well you live up to it.

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#168 bdiddy18
March 13 2012, 08:19AM
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One year deals for smyty until he decides to retire. And he doesn't have to be signed immediately - he lost all his bargaining power by saying "mercy" when it came to the Oilers or anywhere else.

However, was he ever part of the rebuilding plan? - no he wasn't. He ASKED to come back, the Oilers were not actively pursuing him. So paying him 4.5 mil with a 6.25 cap hit when he clearly doesn't deserve that much is exactly the definition of rewarding the significance of Ryan Smyth as an Edmonton Oiler.

For the right price he can stay next year for the third line. If he feels he is worth more than 2 million a season then the Oilers can continue with their original plan and use the slot for Lander, Haartikanen, Omark, or even Cornet.

Teemu Selanne doesn't seem to have a problem with one year deals or being the last to sign for Anaheim for the last 3-4 years. And he still deserves multi year deals!

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#169 Murf
March 13 2012, 10:17AM
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@bdiddy18

I agree 100%. His last 30 games has lost him even more bargaining power. 1 year @ 2 Mil and check in again this time next year.

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#170 Scottie
March 13 2012, 12:13PM
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Wanye, you forgot to mention how Tambo so readily signed extensions for Potter, who has come back down to earth and shown that he is in fact nothing more than an AHL player, and Sutton.

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