Nation Radio - May 12, 2012

NationRadio
May 13 2012 10:30AM

 

 

The hot topic this week was the launch of the Nation Network's newest project NHLNumbers blog. Derek Zona, Kent Wilson and others stopped by to talk about how the new site came to be as well as what readers can expect from it down the road. In addition, Ben Massey called in to talk the Oilers and Edmonton FC while Kent Simpson updates us on the Oil Kings playoff march.

This is Nation Radio.

Segment 1

First up is Cam Charron of Canucks Army and Backhand Shelf. Cam and Allan discuss NHLNumbers, advanced stats and the potential fate of Roberto Luongo.

Segment 2

Derek Zona of Copper 'n Blue and NHLNumbers shares his vision for the new project as well as his recent 2012 mock draft article and a defense of Sam gagner.

Segment 3

It's a double dose of Canucks writers, with guest number two being Canucks Army managing editor Thom Drance. Vigneault, Luongo and stats are the main topics.

Segment 4

Next, Nation Overlord Kent Wilson looks at the NHLNumbers launch in detail. He also compares Nail Yakupv to Taylor Hall.

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Benjamin Massey of Copper 'n Blue joins to discuss Tom Renney, the NHL draft as well as Edmonton's football club.

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Finally, we end with regular guest Kent Simpson, color commentator of the Edmonton Oil Kings. He and LT go over the Kings great season, Oilers prospect Martin Gernat and 20 year old players.

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#1 BaconWrapped
May 13 2012, 10:38AM
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Awesemo!

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#2 Lowetide
May 13 2012, 10:46AM
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I don't knows how you done it, I only knows you done it!

Fun day all around, all the guests were outstanding this week. I wanted to get Jonathan Willis on but it didn't work out.

He'll be on next week, though.

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#3 Derek Zona
May 13 2012, 10:49AM
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Thanks for having me on, good sir. I look forward to talking to you when the Oilers trade Gagner.

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#4 Lowetide
May 13 2012, 11:07AM
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Derek Zona wrote:

Thanks for having me on, good sir. I look forward to talking to you when the Oilers trade Gagner.

lol. Enjoyed it as always. We'll have to meet in his new city and have a beer when they send Gagner packing.

My guess is it'll be a shorter trip for you. :-)

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#5 Jackson
May 13 2012, 03:45PM
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When all your skilled players are smallish , you need some size with skill.

Gagner in my mind , I would trade before Hall Eberle RNH and Yakupov?

If the make up of the team was different than I would keep him. But it is not.

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#6 Jack
May 13 2012, 05:08PM
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I wonder what the average weight for Forwards and Defence is for LA Kings vs. Edmonton Oilers.

Would be an interesting stat

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#7 The Keystone Garter
May 13 2012, 09:33PM
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Hertl, Teemu, Coci. Am sold on Hertl unless him or Teemu not ready to come to North America soon.

Woywitka 4 yrs $8M. Is too good to play in AHL. If the farm team had such a good run maybe try out their FWs first? Be nice to get a star centre to play with Kane, if Burmistrov and Little can't keep up.

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#8 The Keystone Garter
May 15 2012, 05:19PM
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Machacek and Maxwell being the obvious FWs you'd want to give a few games at least to. Scheifele only 7 0 1 1 in AHL playoffs. Flood has upside. Jets played decent. But no real superstars last year so couldn't afford (for a playoff run Thorburn good to have on roster cheaply) to play Fehr, Glass, Thorburn, at all in retrospect. Koekkoek looks like he has as good shortened stats as Galchenyuk to me. -7 in 20 games but doesn't look like great goaltending. I wonder if can trade up the 2nd rounder or trade down somehow. Some say Grigorenko will slip. I don't believe it, but if think he will hit 6th or 7th trading a few spots up for a potential Art Ross winner can't hurt. If Hertl will slip to 15th or lower gotta go with him and trade down. Still like Anton Zlobin's goalscoring: a 5th rounder a yr or two ago. I'd rather have Koekkoek and Hertl than 9th overall and 3rd rounder... Reallyyyy wish I could've watched Que Hfx series: knew it would be intense. Yzerman had to scout for Team Canada 2014 watching internet...I'd watch the European games but no broadcast.

2010 New Year's Eve Chi-Det, missing a key player but one of ten best games I ever watched. Why can't I pay $5 to watch it online once again? 2005 (lockout) WHC Canada Slovakia amazing: Brodeur's finest. Wish could turn sound effects up and commentary down. P.McGuire is smart but too loud. Kept dissing the probably superior Slovak D: Visnovsky was 3rd in NHL scoring and he didn't know who Lube was. Same tourney, Can-Rus amazing game right to the last 1/2 second. Russian's went with Yashin line too much instead of Ovechkin Malkin F.Fedorov kid-line. 2004 World Cup final four, Canada-Czechs, amazing game. Luongo's coming of age. Czechs outplay Canada. 2003 NHl playoffs, Spezza games are a treat. Turco Gigiure from that year is best goaltending duel I've seen. Best Jets game I ever saw was a 1992-1993 regular season game against LA with 7-5 final. I don't remember them playing the Soviet teams though.

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#9 The Keystone Garter
May 15 2012, 07:35PM
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Love those 1996 season alternate LA Kings Jerseys. Are a rare collectors item. Best Jersey Ever.

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#10 The Keystone Garter
May 15 2012, 08:08PM
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..you know what would be nice, which hockey games had the most scoring chances. S.Fischler used to track this in the 1980s. An even better stat would be high quality scoring chances. That 1997 Pittsburgh Washington marathon OT game was a real treat. Yeah, greatest game of all-time I'll say was the 2010 New Year's Eve Chi-Det, and I don't even think I can buy it. I don't remember the 1987 Canada Russia games. Games 4-6 of the Summit Series were sweet, too. I think the 6th was the won the Soviets tried to steal with PPs and Canada on the ropes. Game 4 was Wpg with Soviet kid line. First period of 1996 World Cup round-robin Can-USA was sweetly intense. But Canada without 6 of top players and double-shifting stone-handed Lindros. With little Fleury and Verbeek and Richter in prime: were not physical enough to get by USA D. Primeau would've kicked the crap out of D.Hatcher in 3rd fight if the latter didn't KO the ref.

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#11 The Keystone Garter
May 15 2012, 08:16PM
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Game 3: Wpg. Once the Canadian got physically conditioned it was not close. Usually one team didn't show up in most so called classics. The gold medal 2010 game, Canada dominates. 2004 World Cup Final, Finns aren't good enough. For the 2005 WHC final, started out strong but after first goal, Czechs play defensive and Vokoun too good. 1998 Redwings are just too good against Flyers. I can only imagine if Russians played Bryzgalov in 2010 or if Luongo didn't melt down against Blackhawks in recent playoff years. 2007 Ana vs Redwings interesting style contrast, Ana offense from rearguard vs redwings forecheck.

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#12 The Keystone Garter
May 15 2012, 08:55PM
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How did Phx beat Chi? Blackhawks remind me of Canucks of late 2000s, a few holes but exciting. Go Booth!! Am told Cze-Slov and Slov-Russia were good 2010 Olympics games. Americans never really played an exciting style. That historic 1996 game, had little Messier, Gretz and Coffey too. Not enough scoring in 1998 and size in 1996. Not favouring Canada but usually not enough talent on other teams to match.

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#13 The Keystone Garter
May 15 2012, 09:10PM
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...Jesus, talking about Cloutier goal again on tsn. He sucked. I had Canucks goaltending ranked 29th out 30, in 2003, ahead of Cechmanek. Still had Cup chances in 2004 if Hedberg. In Vancouver in 2002-2003, they (fans) said Cloutier should be Vezina candidate. No, he really sucked. I wonder how Malik got so bad and Chara so good; they both seemed esimiliar back then. Quick doesn't suck; him or Thomas might have won gold (Miller very good too obviously). You don't expect that from Quick, you do expect 2002 'Wings to expose sucky Cloutier. I think for the 2002 Olympics, Can-Cze might've been the best game. I wanna watch whatever game had the Sakic Yzerman Lemieux line. Iginla looks shell shocked on the top line during gold medal game. 1998 Olympics, picked crappy team. Zamuner? Was no fun watching Hasek. And when I say post-lockout Canucks and this year Chi were exciting, I mean mildly exciting. Not like 2001-2004 Canucks teams. Even guys like Cooke and Letowski could pot the odd goal on those teams. If they traded twins for a goalie, cup for sure. But no drinking game.

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#14 The Keystone Garter
May 15 2012, 09:30PM
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I'd still like to know what happened during the bronze medal game. Slovakia was in control, finally having a goalie and their old guard just barely unretired, and then CTV switches to some street parties. I'm thinking, this isn't even another sport. This is like those travel shows. And then the Finns just have them kicked after most of a period has elapsed. Canada's D was seldom healthy. MacInnis and Bourque rarely on same team. But 2010 was too strong. If they didn't go into a defensive shell the gold medal game wouldn't have been close.

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#15 The Keystone Garter
May 16 2012, 07:04AM
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Like I said earlier, MLB too rigged or just plain badly umped, to be watchable. Jays got screwed over last night for another year. It is like soccer where they all dive, or NBA phantom fouls, in that a simple challenge would fix things. For soccer, make diving a challenge and give coach a red card if wrong. For NBA. IDK, challenging offensive fouls or travelling would help. 1980s college games had sweet passing and penetration of defenses slowly. Maybe giving an extra FT if holding the two pt zone for 15 seconds or four passes could make it watchable. Needs subs on the fly too. MLB obviously challenge the base outs with an out being the penalty. The strike zone, there are cameras that trace the ball and provide a hollow circle where they think it crosses the plate. Not perfect and penalizes junk and slow pitchers. But it can be seen where the ball is grossly outside or inside the strike zone. Because hockey is such a team sport, it is a tough game to rig even with performance enhancers. Could challenge 5 min penalties that aren't called at all, like Torres hit (I thought only 5 games suspension, but not called and can only have a few such players in league or turns into AHL quality). I wonder if three players before game could be given red helmets, representing PP1, that are off limits to head shots? Sucky to watch Phx in final four rather than Nashville, Det, or Chi.

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#16 The Keystone Garter
May 16 2012, 04:46PM
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Alright, scouts are saying Teemu isn't ready to play in NHL anytime soon. With early UFA, and this might change with new CBA Gretz traded Briere for Gratton instead of signing Briere through new post-lockout NHL, I like ready players. Is even worse for D. I'd guess a guy like Trouba will take years to be NHL ready because he's a D and USHL product. So, like Hertl, and Ceci. If we can get an expensive UFA, Parise 5 yrs $40M, I'd like Enstrom and 2nd rounder to Caps for their #16 pick and Alzner and Perrault and whatever else they want. Don't care about Alzner other than cheap, but Perrault looks like Wellwood/Malhotra, already. #16 is perfect pick to get Hertl.

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#17 The Keystone Garter
May 16 2012, 04:54PM
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Koekkoek is a nice lottery ticket. Better to have 1st and 4th liner than 2nd and 3rd. With injury and -7 in 20 games, he might be only D.Quint or he might be another Enstrom. I'd trade a 1st rounder next year for someone's late teens pick to get Koekkoek. The thing about slow rebuilding...our games are soldout for years. Toronto is most profitable franchise but never makes playoffs. No owner drive to improve. Be better to raise some ticket prices and make a few really cheapies avaiable so everyone can get one game in. I like Ceci just because you expect Murray and Dumba and Reilly to be all gone and would already be on #2 PP ahead of Hainsey. Flood seemed to have good offense instincts from what I saw.

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#18 The Keystone Garter
May 16 2012, 06:35PM
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Argh. January 8th 2011, Det-Van is my nomination for greatest hockey game ever that I missed the best SNL host ever to watch. #1 and #2 in NHL standings at the time. Datsyuk not playing. Teams are flying on offense and defense. The battles just to clear the zone were all intense. I've never seen such a beautiful thing in my life. Vancouver was on a 17-1-2 roll coming into the game. Their only recent reg loss: Det.

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#19 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 05:29AM
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Yikes, shades of waking up in 2005 to a 2-1 1st period deficit against monster (then) Slovaks. Down 2-1 at 1st Int. with Kane only Canada goal. Haven't heard of most of Slovaks but Tatar stickhandling like Datsyuk. Be a shame for this team to get booted early. Is a monster; will be for yrs as most high round picks of recent, Cdn. Tourney isn't scheduled with ratings in mind, with Canada the first game. Should be the Norway game. Should try to accomodate cross ocean fans. A 2011 Vancouver Wings series almost happened but Franzen Datsyul and Zetterberg all dinged up in playoffs. :(

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#20 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 05:38AM
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Then, as now, goaltending Slovak weakness. Kane will get 40 goals next year. The Jets have to go for playoff run next year. Look at Crosby's shortened career. In new NHL salaries, gotta Carp Diem lest injuries ruin your master plan. And Kane is now team's first superstar. Jets last year a lot like NYR before Richards and Gaborik. And Kane is now 1/2 that equation. This Canada team is stronger than the team Gretz sent to Olympics and maybe stronger than 1998 team, at least the way that team used its assets. Will we use Schenn on a shootout here?

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#21 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 05:41AM
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I think it was Mess last year who went with prospect S.Bernier in net? Picking a kid on the roster is fine, but you get 3 goalies. No reason not to sub in someone if a bad goal or two. You aren't helping Bernier's career, are hurting someone else's.

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#22 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 06:12AM
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@#$%. He rabbit-stepped out of way of knee. 2 or 4 min penalty. Detroit said would FA but looks set with yet another later round gem. Funny listening to Leafs say they won't rebuild the Pitts way. They were bankrupt without Crosby. I think they meant Ottawa, and Ottawa never won Cup. How about stop trading with Boston.

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#23 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 06:46AM
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Lidstrom mentioned he would like to retire as the best D of all-time. And also that he didn't have much motivation; I wouldn't blame him for that. For the best of all-time, I got consistant Bourque ahead of him. Another ring would change that. Tough to be better than Bobby. Led league in scoring. But by clutch-and-grab 1976 Canada Cup, it is clear he isn't that good anymore. If Lidstrom plays as long as still active Chelios, maybe best D of all-time. Goalies is tough to rank. Is a bit ahead of Sawchuk and 1/2 Euro non-Senator cup winner Hasek. Roy was elite for 15 years and Brodeur only 11. So I have Lidstrom a smidge ahead of Brodeur but is still active. I love Brodeur's personalized style but the diagonal kick-out is a known weakness. FWs, the WHA was strong enough to beat those Soviet teams. That 1976 tourney was Canada playing against Jets and Stastnys. Old man Bobby Hull was best player on Earth then. Got Gretz, Bobby Hull, Howe, Lemieux, Yzerman, all ahead of Nik, who is ahead of Sakic, M.Richard, active Jagr. So Lidstrom as 9th best of all time. In danger of being passed by Jagr, Brodeur, Toews, Crosby. Maybe only those first 4 FWs are uncatchable? With salary, you can do a lot of good. Cares about nutrition; any investment to help pesticide-ridden bees would help add more fruits and healthy canola to world. Bees pollinate 10x as much crops as value of industry and healthy foods are already a multiplier. An idiot Canadian Minister, the same one who said feds shouldn't pay for soap in a pandemic, said our diabetic, poor and dumb (easy merketing prey) aboriginals don't have a problem eating healthy. A Wpg company invested $3M in biofilm technology, not helped by corporate tax cuts.

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#24 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 06:56AM
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Maybe for E.Staal's best that Gretz chose Bertuzzi, Draper, Nolan, McCabe and Bouwmeester. Wind turbines can be made that use iron-based components instead of depleting neobideum, nobellyim...rare earth magnets. Are cheap and quick to develop. China has only company in this way but can save the world and get richer. Batteries that are used in cars by Obama's Michigan battery company investment (could've been Canada's), might scale to utility-scale power banking for wind and solar. Then instead of wind's upper limit of 10% of power generation, it would be 35%-3/4. Or a solution phase battery, a vat. Fake meat stops both pandemics and AGW. Swedes are capable of all of this. IDK, would be my motivation.

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#25 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 07:06AM
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Could crosscheck a Finn for every acre of peat they burn? This is all very good for the game of hockey long-term. Canada doesn't even get to size up against Russia. I wonder if schedule makers for International and NHL could customize schedules if everyone agrees, for rivlaries or to match skill levels? Tornto probably belongs in West, but should be playing Mtl 8 times a year. If there are any consistently crappy teams, Edm and NYI, might want to manufacture a rivalry for 7 seasons or less. I still love Det Chi Van games and Vancouver belongs playing Chi. Without 3 consecutive Harts winners and Olympics, Canada should be playing Russia twice a tourney at least just because Czechs and USA dropoff in talent. With the Canada and Russian youth, Bobrovsky and Varlamov, they outta play always. Who'd've thunk trading Fleischman would kill Caps, along with the young D behind Green, regressing?

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#26 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 07:52AM
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Blowing that 5-3 was brutal. C.Ward played himself off my 2014 team. Is weird, had him on 2010 team. But Brodeur has plateaued since 2006, whereas Ward, he doesn't seem good internationally. In 2006 I liked Staal, Brind-Amour, and Roloson all as Conn Smythe. If Torres ran Ward the way Car was running Roloson, be a cup winner. It is weird he didn't wait until last two rounds to injure someone. The Canada attack didn't seem well structured. The players on offence, their passes weren't short. The D were pinching well but it always seemed like there should be another FW in the slot that wasn't there. Lots of scrambles of course but no Canadians to pot in the goals. Too many turnovers deep in offensive zone. Worried about Getzlaf; he didn't make my 2010 team barely. Passer Thornton was dominant in 2002 and got slow. Same with Lecavalier. Maybe Sutters aren't good Euro ice dimensions coaches?

Physical Jets would be good to get some fast skilled cheap Euro league players. Basically Enstroms on FW. Kane is fast but Buff and Antropov not. Thorosen been lighting up Europe: I ask myself if his talent is being wasted playing with players whose letters fall off their jerseys.

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#27 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 08:22AM
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Nabokov was great during the S.Burke playoff duel, but sucked ever since. I guess it is tough when you have three close-aged goalies. Nb, Kipper, Toskala. Biron, Noronen, Miller. Varlamov, Neuvirth, Holtby. I think Caps played it right with Varlamov weak glove and good #15 pick from Colorado. Yeah, physical coaches are bad with WHC penalty calls. Either goon it up all the way as Crosby payback or not at all. Beautiful fans but oh god the whistles and lack of ice sounds.

Buff on D is interesting. More ice time and big slapper. A slow FW can be an asset, ask C.Pronger and whoever Vancouver matched up against him in 2010. On D is always a minus player, like J.Johnson. Your passing has to be good to be a slow D. At the same time Jets PP missed Buff when injured. I guess in playoffs, premium for power forwards. Signing D.Penner would be good if a one year contract. If everyone knows next draft is strong, and we want playoffs next year, it might be good to trade 2013 1st rounder for help. Backfires if Kane hurt or Pavelec regresses. Don't care too much about Pavelec contract but be prepared to bench him or minors. Toronto trading for 4 yr $10M Raycroft wasn't bad (obviously don't trade Rask away for non-proven starer), but needed to bench him or minors when sucked. They were good with Joseph and Belfour, bad when settled for unproven Toskala (okay if willing to bench) over 2005 gold medal winner Vokoun. I feel bad for Toronto, they suck so bad. Luongo to T.O. Kadri and Reimer to Jets. Wheeler to Vancouver. Frees up UFA money and we don't have Centres to utilize Kane and Wheeler.

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#28 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 08:46AM
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Even with the lead I could see Canada in trouble. They double teamed Chara at the point while Chara on PP. If Slovaks collapsed to net it would've been 4 on 2. An Ward came out to challenge on the tying goal. He made the save and then looked for puck instead of retreating to net for chance at acrobatic save. They identified Chara but not Tatar. Tatar should've been shadowed. Ladd amybe but not greatest hands. I'd venture to say slow young but quick-handed Tavares might have been the best shadow. With young WHC teams next few years, need good coaching. Everyone but Canada and USA should be doing nothing but developing goalies. Their teams are a crap-shoot every year. Some countries don't pick their best. Canada known for picking favs. D.Graham ahead of Yzerman. 1st overall Bouwmeester ahead of Phaneuf (who eliminated Ovechkin in World Jrs). Russia stole Khabby's medal. Americans went with Chelios over Mara. I'd venture the smaller EU countries hold their own because of better management. It is looking like Chi blew their dynasty by signing Sharp over either Campbell (in retrospect Campbell is reason Jets didn't make playoffs), or Versteeg and someone. With Tatar, I like Wings to win Cup even though Howard playoff disappearing act. Wings never needed goalies.

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#29 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 08:56AM
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Yep, Russian fans over our ugly French English heritage. Russia knocked us out in 2006 as soon as Gagne hurt. They have a good young D crop in 2014, but will be inexperienced. Probably a fast FW team can capitalize on them. Americans with Yandle and goalies might be only other opposition. Americans usually pick the wrong goalie for gold. 1996 and 2005 the only times they did it right. What 2006 taught me, with Ovechkin playing like Selke winner, is we should have had Crosby playing on checking line rather than 3 goal Draper. Gotta be nimble. Phaneuf's best year was rookie year: 2006 olympics. Blackahwks didn't expect Brunette and Olesz to both suck. Olesz is a lesson against my garage sale strategy of picking lots of young 4th liners.

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#30 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 09:05AM
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The ice makes hockey an art. What good is it to draw against the Americans, to hold your ground against poison gas, to smash the Hindenberg line, to advance further on DDay than anyone, to invent special forces twice and the USA's intelligence agencies. What good is all this industrial domination if we lose beauty in the process?

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#31 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 09:34AM
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Zamuner over R.Francis and Oates was very bad in 1998. Maybe not enough Wingers to use Oates, but Francis was versatile. It is again looking like goaltending will be Canada's weakness in 2014. I thought the Finns Czechs and Americans had Canada beat last Olympics. Some were hyping M.Smith?! Russians look to have us beat. I'm liking Fleury, Price, Reimer and Luongo. And crappiest Reimer is the only consistent one of the lot. Yuck. Gotta pick the rest of the team perfectly.

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#32 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 09:38AM
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In non-World Cup leap years, some sort of summer round-robin games determining pools would be nice. The carrot being the ability to get a more spaced out schedule if you win? I like Snow Cross snowboarding and Men's Ice Hockey.

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#33 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 09:59AM
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Yeah, I think you can get away building the team to beat the Russians. It doesn't help that our weakness, goaltending, is matched against their offense. Maybe a team like the Slovaks has a good depth chart, IDK. Swedes are aging, Hedman and Backstrom would really have to show up. The Finns were Teppo and Selanne at least for gold. Our D will be best and Russians a little weak. Assuming they send a FW back all the time, it should give our D lots of two on twos against Russian FWs. I don't know how to best exploit that. Good puck control would mean always getting one-timers. Their shot blocking would give temporary 5-4s. Bad pass reception would be breakways the other way. In 1998, matched up physically to beat 1996 Americans and could not counter Czech snipers or Hasek. I don't know what 2006 was. Not picking Spezza Staal or Crosby and picking 9 players over a year in advance. Yzerman had a 13 game point streak that year and was most dangerous offensive wing both AB playoff series's. I guess he thought clearing a space for Maltby was honourable: it was not. Bertuzzi could've spent his first season back in the AHL for conditioning instead of on Gretzky's top line: the slowest line ever. They were all coached to go behind the goal line where they couldn't score from.

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#34 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 10:04AM
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In 2002, I thought we were cooked that knockout game against the Finns. Selanne was playing like a thin Bobby Hull power FW clone. That old guard of Lemieux, Gretzky, Yzerman, Roy, Broduer was reliable. Different Canada now with D strength and Toews Stamkos snipers.

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#35 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 10:20AM
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Ooo, another goal went right through C.Ward. You could tell 'Canes were for real late Dec '06 when a trying hard Wings team lost to them 3-2. They've mastered the art of the Yo-Yo to get key draft assets and make Cup runs.

Two "lose-lose" trades were Pouliet for Latendresse. One asset getting hurt, the other not resigned. And Gaustad for 1st rounder. Buffalo just missing the playoffs and Nashville benching their Russians.

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#36 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 10:33AM
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Plucking Maclean and getting good value for Oduya, our roster moves are above average. Scheifele seems like a good pick but will always be compared to next pick: Couterier. The latter was the safe pick. Nearly identical, if Scheifele doesn't have a good AHL playoffs you'd have to call the drafting average: picky a good player on a bad team is risky. With those two player ahead, trading down one pick and getting a 5th rounder might be best, assuming we're not close to the 50 player roster limit. Good roster moves suggests no no-trade clauses. Sometimes they are useful: Kaberle might not have signed with leafs at all without one. Knock the comment about 5th rounder, but wings late round picks include: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Lidstrom, Kronwall, Tatar... One Cup since Salary Cup. One game seven loss. One exit in final four via Teemu PP goal on non-existent penalty.

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#37 The Keystone Garter
May 17 2012, 10:43AM
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We should demand our coaches be 1/4 French-Canadian. Mtl didn't learn from losing all the bank headquarters. The biggie is, if they aren't acquiring French Canadian players, why make coach French? How can you get mad at a player with the higher pitch voice inflection at the end of sentence? If Wpg won the Cup, there wouldn't be riots. If there is prejudice it is against WHLers. They don't wear visors. This is good as draws blood. Boy that Que Hfx game went to game 7 OT. How come we don't have a Junior team?

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May 17 2012, 10:47AM
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Finn USA an intense game. Canada looked sleepwalking, just like they did after 3-0 Olympics gold medal lead. See, this is what I mean. This bad blood should trigger an addition exhibition and additional round robin game, next year.

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May 17 2012, 10:57AM
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Thick lines are advantage offense. The AHL did this once but need to be lightened.

Another is: most scoring chances last period gets the home team line changes. 2004 final four USA Finland is another game I haven't yet seen that I'm sure is good. Lemieux was so deceptive. He seems to be lazily carrying the puck harmlessly into the zone by the boards, and then all of a sudden he shifts towards the slot and passes to two open FWs. When the team needed physical intensity it came from the old man's body checks. Mike Vernon's 1998 game 4 corner of the net whole body flop save. And Brodeur's 2004 Gold Medal early flop save. I don't see that anymore.

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May 17 2012, 11:00AM
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...I phoned every bar in Toronto looking for those exhibition games in 2004. Only place that had 'em was the Wayners's.

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May 17 2012, 11:16AM
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You can tell who is going for a cup run if you pay attention. At my dealer's house spring '03, Ana had beaten wings 3-2. I told him wings prolly weren't trying. He said no, they were. Watched a marathon game free the one sportsbook big screen that brought you free drinks: Treasure Island. These "pros" were noticing a wing stickhandling and said it must be Fedorov. I shook my head. Dunno why Bettman brought hackey to the south: it was Datsyuk. In summer 2001, the wings added Robitaille, Hull, Hasek. That was a clue. I quit the highest paying job I ever had to watch game 5.

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May 17 2012, 11:43AM
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...I guess the reasoning is, a good player should take his team to playoffs in Jr. Not necessarily NHL, see 1980s #2 Lemieux and Yzerman. In 1990, Kidd was ranked ahead of Potvin, ahead of Broduer. Brodeur had a good team, Ptvin average, and Kidd's team sucked. And that's the way they played in NHL. Russians can kick the crap out of Finns and Slovaks.

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MacKinnon looks like best prospect since Gretzky. I hope he plays with 4 disciplined hitters his whole career and takes a year off between concussions.

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...there is a gather first rounders next year strategy. Poor Oilers.

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I'd buy the aforementioned Que Hfx series if it became a box set. Never saw the Oil Kings as wasn't impressed by roster even with record. Finns have a goalie. Be an NHL backup. Is Tereshenko on the tsn site the St. Louis pick: Tarasenko, the one who lit up Canada at Jrs on Kuznetsov's line? Friggin russian names. Perrault or Washington's 1st round pick should be there for the plucking. Pavelec for Vokoun and their 1st rounder.

Looking back, the old Jets just gave away assets. Olausson for 4th rounder. He still looked mobile while winning Cup with wings. Draper for $1 when he was 23?! FWs were never deep; I don't get that. Teemu for Tverdovsky (won a cup with NJ and traded back for futures) and Kilger. Teemu scored Stanley Cup winner against Wings. Getting Olczyk back for nohting was nice. The WHA team; the 1976 Canada Cup was B.Hull, the only dominant Canadian (play-by-play liked Potvin), against Hedberg, against Nilsson, and Stastnys and Soviets. It was pre-lockout reffing. Other teams were weaker so would've been better to keep 1972 penalties. I wonder if there is no parity if the reffing should be adjusted to weaker teams. Those Jets teams must have been among the strongest assembled. I like when different leagues and teams play eachother. Gives good analysis of player strengths. Hasek played 1/2 his career in Czech league. He was great with lighter-weight equipment, but was he good in 1980s? Strongest one season performances ever next to Gigiure 2003 playoffs. Hockey sucks in that 1991 Chicago couldn't hold on to both Hasek and Belfour. Like have Flutie and Brees.

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Tatar gives me a reason to pay attention still. The nice thing about having 3 Hart Trophy winner on your team, is that when one of them gets hurt, you still have 2 Hart Trophy winners. Russsians can't PK and Canada takes too many. IIHF weaknesses but not World Cup. I miss the fighting in World Cups. Bad stats, can't figure out where Getzlaf took his 27 PIMs.

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lol. TSN before the game: M.Koivu is the best player in this tourney. After the game and hat-trick: Is there any doubt about who the best player in the world is? E.Malkin.

If NBA had offensive fouls called and travelling, and no time outs (have three lines change on the fly), it would be watchable. It seems to have been hurt by more physical players in that there is less room for better passing. Hockey got around that with composite sticks, though as a D being able to crack someone with a wood stick might not be so bad early in a playoff round. Soccer could have a player immediately out-of-bounds to throw the ball in instantly (with someone on other side coming off). Killed by no replays on offsides and diving. I love car crashes, wish racing did'nt take the aggressive Earnheardt passing away. Need a green car circuit.

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Game Cube has the best controller for sports. Tiger Woods golf was the best golf game. Weakness is playing with a foursome it is impossibly lng wait for them to tee-off. No Canadian course is annoying for Cdn market. MLB 2005 I think, is best pitching MLB game not arcade. Base running is always a joke (often triple plays against for inadvertent steals) but good if you master it. Flaw is smoke pitchers allow easy outs. For NHL 1994, the gameplay against a human gets scary good. You are almost forced to dumpin and stuff to counter checks and angling hits to side. Be nice to get these games with the cheapie goals uncoded. Modern hockey games, the breakouts are too slow. It is like watching lacrosse or soccer, even. I never upgrade my coaches in any game: too easy. The International rinks are no good in any game. Less hooking and hitting.

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