What would it take for the Leafs to land Yakupov and Galchenyuk?

Jonathan Willis
June 05 2012 10:20PM

Earlier today, we ran an interview between Andrey Osadchenko and Igor Larionov on this site. Larionov is the agent for two of 2012’s top draft prospects – Nail Yakupov and Alex Galchenyuk – and among other things he made the interesting suggestion that the Leafs might attempt to land both players (who are also teammates in Sarnia).

Is it possible?

Asked what the Oilers had told him about drafting Yakupov with the first overall pick, Larionov offered (in part) the following:

Tambellini told me: ‘We like him. We want him. But we’re going to make a decision the day before the draft’. I also know the Habs want to get one of my guys – either Nail or Alex [Galchenyuk]. So do the Leafs. It is possible that the Leafs are going to trade their draft pick and get both of them. There is a possibility like that. Nail and Alex went to New Jersey for Game 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals. After this they met Leafs GM Brian Burke. Then Nail met with the Habs.

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It’s the same scenario that Robin Brownlee spit-balled a few days ago, except that instead of the Oilers making a move to land both players, it would be the Leafs.

Shades of 1999

While normally this sort of talk has a fantastic quality to it, every once in a while a general manager pulls this kind of deal off. Brian Burke did it at the 1999 NHL Entry Draft, where the Canucks emerged as the big winners of the first round, drafting twin brothers Henrik and Daniel Sedin.

How did they do it? The Canucks already owned the third overall selection, and they needed to land another pick inside the top three. They managed to get the fourth overall pick from Chicago in exchange for defenseman Bryan McCabe and the Blackhawks choice of Vancouver’s first round pick in either 2000 or 2001 (Chicago opted for the 11th overall pick in 2000). Then they dealt that fourth overall pick to Tampa Bay along with a pair of third round picks in exchange for the first overall selection.

With Atlanta eying Patrik Stefan – while now considered a bust, at the time Stefan boasted size and physical maturity; he was a point-per-game player in the IHL (roughly equivalent to the AHL today) in his draft year – the Canucks traded down from first to second overall, collecting a third round pick the following year in the process.

Chicago got a good defenseman and a first round pick. Atlanta got Patrik Stefan. Vancouver walked away with two-thirds of an elite first line.

What Would It Take?

The Leafs are in an interesting position because they have strength in areas where the Oilers are weak. It seems unlikely that top defenseman Dion Phaneuf would be on the table, but the Leafs have a quartet of other (relatively) young defenders that might intrigue the Oilers:

  • 21-year old Jake Gardiner
  • 22-year old Luke Schenn
  • 24-year old Cody Franson
  • 25-year old Carl Gunnarsson

Looking back to what the Leafs did in 1999, would the Oilers consider one of Schenn or Gardiner, Franson, and their choice of the Leaf’s first round pick in either 2013 or 2014 in exchange for the first overall selection this year? Schenn was a fifth overall pick a few years ago, plus he has a WHL heritage and the Oilers do love both of those things.

The Leafs pick next year could be a high one as well. Since 2008, the Leafs have by virtue of their regular season finish had the opportunity to draft seventh (they moved up to 5th overall and took Schenn), seventh (Nazem Kadri), second (Boston got the pick in the Phil Kessel deal and drafted Tyler Seguin), ninth (another pick lost in the Kessel deal; Boston drafted Dougie Hamilton) and then fifth overall next year. Based on recent history, next year’s first round pick will be a considerable asset.

There’s also the possibility that the Leafs could trade up to eighth overall and use that pick to barter with Edmonton. There has been speculation recently that the Carolina Hurricanes are willing to deal that pick for immediate help up front (h/t Lowetide). The Leafs have some options that might be appealing to Carolina, and could add a highly regarded prospect like Joe Colborne or Nazem Kadri in a package with an established forward.

If the Leafs managed to land the eighth overall pick, Edmonton might be intrigued by the possibility of trading down and landing a player like Griffin Reinhart.

Will it happen?

I very much doubt it. Burke often talks about moving up on draft day (as opposed to the Oilers, who let it be known that they would be interested in moving up, don’t move up, and then trade for the player five years later after whoever drafted him is willing to move on) but the reality is that deals like that are hard to pull off. People are loss-averse by nature and the prospect of moving a top pick can be nerve-wracking.

Still, sometimes strange things happen. I’d be surprised if Burke didn’t at least sound out Tambellini about that first overall pick.

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#1 Wanyes bastard child
June 05 2012, 10:31PM
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Been trying to think of something witty but all I could come up with is "STOCC!" heres to you dude.

Personally I don't think Burke has the pieces to do it but thats just me.

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#2 MrBig
June 05 2012, 10:32PM
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Personally, I would trade the first overall pick if the offer is right. We need help on the back end and if the offer is sweet enough, it has to be considered.

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#3 Reality Check to the head
June 05 2012, 10:32PM
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In order to get both NAil and Garg, the Leafs would need the number 1 and the present 5th pick. If there was a way the Oil could still get an early first round pick (to go for Murray) and another Dman from Toronto Schenn/Gardiner whomever, I say do the deal.

Toronto would have to wave their magic wand and create fairies pooping from Burkes butt, but let him do the heavy lifting. Looks like Puffy Burke could use the exercise.

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#4 The Farmer
June 05 2012, 10:40PM
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Very scary to move a possible superstar, for a bunch of also rans. If you have the superstars, the spare parts are easier to get, and look better when they are surrounded by elite talent. Don't move the pick unless it's a generational talent coming back

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#5 c#####
June 05 2012, 10:46PM
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Doesn't Justin Shultz want to play with Gardiner or is good friends with him? If landing Gardiner in a trade improves your chances of signing Shultz then maybe trading the first overall pick isn't such a bad idea.

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#6 @NateInVegas
June 05 2012, 10:53PM
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How is Burke supposed to get Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Luongo, AND Nash???

Wasn't Burke going to do whatever it takes to get Tavares...

Look at how good the Flames are after taking half of the Leafs junk, why would Edmonton take the rest?

That being said I can see Edmonton trying to get another pick 8-12.

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#7 Racki
June 05 2012, 10:55PM
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Best thing I've heard from management here in a few years actually (shockingly) came out of Tambellini's own mouth... I don't have the exact quote, but what he said had several good points that I (again, shockingly) agreed with. They were that: he recognized the Oilers roster is lacking a good blueliner; the organization itself wasn't necessarily lacking in blueline depth (meaning he felt they had good depth in the system at D... arguable); they didn't have to solve the lack of roster D via the draft; a defenseman drafted may not play in the NHL for a bit.

He said all the correct stuff I wanted to hear (although, again I stress that our organizational D depth is probably up for debate, but that's not the main point here). I like that he recognized the hole on the blue line and that he didn't seem to feel as though passing on the BPA was the best idea to fill that position.

I still think we draft Nail, and we move some assets like Gagner in order to fill the D hole (or sign via free agency.. but really a good quality young d-man will be hard to come by that way). I hope that is what actually happens.

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#8 MJNation
June 05 2012, 10:58PM
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The last thing we need is another dman (phenuf) who doesn't want to play here.

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#9 ken
June 05 2012, 11:02PM
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Yakupov admits himself that he's never won any titles.

He is way-way overated and the Oil know it.

Trade the pick and settle the backend!

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#10 aeiouY
June 05 2012, 11:10PM
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Is this a ploy to get more hits on the site!?

Burke is a joke, constantly deflecting the realization that his team is as big of a joke as him. Stuck in mediocrity with no escape. He will be lucky to have a job by the end of this season.

In the mean time the YAK will be an oiler. No doubt

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#11 Thinker
June 05 2012, 11:27PM
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I would take no less than gardiner, shenn/franson/Gunnarson, colbourne/kulemin, and torontos first next year. Would toronto do that? Probably not, but cornered animals take drastic actions.

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#12 Rocknrolla
June 05 2012, 11:55PM
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c##### wrote:

Doesn't Justin Shultz want to play with Gardiner or is good friends with him? If landing Gardiner in a trade improves your chances of signing Shultz then maybe trading the first overall pick isn't such a bad idea.

OK.....I think I have got it....

Burke would be a guy that could pull this off. Also if he has Justin Schultz in his back Pocket, but is worried about tampering, he may be motivated to do something.

I could see Burke doing a deal with Anaheim, quashing the charges and getting Schultz rights for a pick/prospect, and signing him before the draft.

Burke then has too many D. He sees Tambi Salivating and offers us the holy grail. Schultz and Gardiner straight up for the number 1!

Think about it...Lowe and Tambi have to consider. We get the two D that are best buds and the same age as our core. Great offensive upside to match our stay at home Smid & Klefbom. We immediately have what would have been a 3 year development on 2 great D. All of a sudden were caught up. Plus they are both ELD still, so costs are low.

Sounds to me like a deal...give me some props people!

Burke then uses his muscle to make sure galch is available at 5 and he walks away with the russian buddies. Both teams are happy and have a young tandem that will play together for years.

We would still have $$to sign a free agent D as well.

JW would love to hear if you think this might work?

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#13 Reg Dunlop
June 06 2012, 12:35AM
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@Rocknrolla

I like where you are heading with 2 young defencemen for 1st overall but ONLY if we duct tape Khabbi to that draft pick. TO gets a marquee draft pick, an experienced goalie, and we are free to add a quality back-up to DD.

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#14 TonyT
June 06 2012, 12:41AM
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@ WILLIS

"as opposed to the Oilers, who let it be known that they would be interested in moving up, don’t move up, and then trade for the player five years later after whoever drafted him is willing to move on"

This line is bang on and the best description of the Oilers tendencies on draft day. Too good.

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#15 Rocknrolla
June 06 2012, 12:42AM
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Reg Dunlop wrote:

@Rocknrolla

I like where you are heading with 2 young defencemen for 1st overall but ONLY if we duct tape Khabbi to that draft pick. TO gets a marquee draft pick, an experienced goalie, and we are free to add a quality back-up to DD.

So maybe it's Gustafson and Khabby added to the deal?

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#16 CSimpson18
June 06 2012, 12:42AM
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@Rocknrolla

If I'm not mistaken, Schultz can't be signed until July 1. Teams can talk to him but that's it.

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#17 Eulers
June 06 2012, 12:52AM
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@TonyT

Who does this refer to, by the way? Reference was lost on me!

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#18 Walter Sobchak
June 06 2012, 12:53AM
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I can't see the Oilers dealing with Burke one on one. Burke will be going after CBJ and Nash.

The Oilers are the ones who have to make a move! Not the other way around.

Oilers will be going hard after the Hurricanes 8th overall pick to land Rienhart, Dumba or Rielly. What Rutherford said to THN is a top 6 forward. My best guess is Hemsky.

That would put the Oilers right about were Rienhart will be.

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#19 theGORD
June 06 2012, 01:03AM
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If they want it bad enough, I'd do it for this package...

Gardiner Schenn Kadri 8th overall (assuming Toronto gets it from Carolina)

for

Yakupov

The 8th is key, ideally it ends up being Grigorenko, he may slide this far. If not Forsberg, and if both those 2 are gone. Then one of Reiley, Reinhart, Murray, Dumba or Trouba will be there. In the order I'd want them...

Grigorenko (big, skilled 2nd line centre) Forsberg (big skilled winger/centre) Reiley (offensive dman) Reinhart (big, well rounded dman) Murray (avg. size well rounded dman) Dumba (gamble, boom or bust IMO) Trouba (solid american dman)

Obviously Toronton gives up a lot, but they are getting a potential superstar, it's gonna cost them.

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#20 Rocknrolla
June 06 2012, 01:03AM
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CSimpson18 wrote:

If I'm not mistaken, Schultz can't be signed until July 1. Teams can talk to him but that's it.

I thought Anaheim could sign him, so by trading for his rights, Leafs could sign him.

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#21 theGORD
June 06 2012, 01:07AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I can't see the Oilers dealing with Burke one on one. Burke will be going after CBJ and Nash.

The Oilers are the ones who have to make a move! Not the other way around.

Oilers will be going hard after the Hurricanes 8th overall pick to land Rienhart, Dumba or Rielly. What Rutherford said to THN is a top 6 forward. My best guess is Hemsky.

That would put the Oilers right about were Rienhart will be.

I'm with you, obviously the Toronto trade is a huge long shot. But I love the idea of trading for Carolina's pick. If we could get one of Grigorenko, Reiley, Murray, or Reinhart with that pick, that would fill a huge hole for the Oil, either a young dman with top 4 or better potential, or a big skilled centre to play behind the Nuge. Either way, that would be huge.

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#22 LMAO
June 06 2012, 01:20AM
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The people is thread are retarded. For example:

"Gardiner Schenn Kadri 8th overall (assuming Toronto gets it from Carolina)

for

Yakupov"

Seriously, are you tripping on LSD? While we're at it let Toronto trade Kessel for N-H, Hall, and Eberle. Hey, Edmonton gives up a lot but they're getting a star player.

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#23 theGORD
June 06 2012, 01:37AM
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@LMAO

First of all, those are hardly comparables. Edmonton's players are all 1st overall young stars or Eberle who just finished top 15 in league scoring at 22 years of age.

Schenn - has potential, but at this point is struggling and overpaid Kadri - now 21 and as of yet has not stuck with the big team. Gardiner - solid, young, top 4 dman.

Not exactly RNH, Hall, and Eberle.

Plus, Kessel? If Edmonton offered Yakupov for Kessel, Burke would do it in one second. Your values are way off.

It's going to take an overpayment for Edmonton to deal the first, this is an overpayment, everyone knows this.

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#24 striker777
June 06 2012, 02:07AM
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I like how Tambelini announced it would take an overwhelming package to pry away 1st overall.

Gardiner is un-proven and could be a bust; Schenn's value is declining every season, as he is not playing to the hype.

Having said that, #5 + #8 + Schenn + Gardiner should at least make Tambelini listen and consider. Otherwise, we don't take other teams declining assets and give up a rising star like Yakupov.

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#25 mayorpoop
June 06 2012, 05:32AM
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Burke has a truly crazy persona.

as arrogant and lacking of humility as anyone in hockey yet as supportive and understanding as anyone outside of hockey. i give him props for that.

that being said, from the hockey side i would rather Dithers and Klowe get multi-year extensions than do any sort of deal that could benefit Burke and the leafs.

our management has shown enough incompetence to make that happen.

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#26 franksterra
June 06 2012, 06:51AM
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I'm a bit surprised by how badly many people here want to stock up on a mass of young d men all at once. Let's fill a hole on d but see how Gernat, klefbom, Marincin, DMusil and Davidson pan out beofre setting 5/6 D in stone for the next five years.

We have needs all over the line up, outside of the first line and DD (who I think we can go with for the near future, providing he's part of a solid tending pair). I'm not really up for dealing Yak unless it's for a truly proven great young d man, but in the spirit of this thread I'd rather have one of Gardiner and Schultz and then add a solid FA D-man for 2-3 years, than make getting both of them the centrepiece for passing on Yak. seeing Gardiner as a lure for Schultz is a gamble and rather pointless. And if we end up with some middle of the pack first rounder out of it, I'd look for a big tough C like Wilson ahead of Trouba, Ceci, etc.

IF it's Toronto along the lines many are suggesting here, I'd ask for Gardiner, Kulemin, their 2012 2nd rounder and next years first for Yak #1 OV.

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#30 Archaeologuy
June 06 2012, 08:15AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Actually, Gardiner, Schenn, Kadri and the #8 would almost certainly be an overpay on Toronto's part.

If you held the winning lottery ticket and someone didnt offer you more than the value of the prize, why would you hand it over?

Honestly, it ought to take a Christmas Miracle for Burke to pull that deal off

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#31 OTOWN
June 06 2012, 08:34AM
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@Archaeologuy

I totally agree. It has to be an overpay for the first overall pick.

The way Tambi seems to be playing it is as though he's not shopping the pick around but as if he's saying if you want it make me an offer I can't refuse.

I would be ok with Schenn, Gardiner and #8 for the #1 pick. We can then use the pick on whomever is available from Grigorenko, Reinhart, Forsberg, Rielly, Teravainin, or Dumba.

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#32 Bob Cob
June 06 2012, 08:37AM
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Tambellini and Lowe remind me of Harry and Lloyd in Dumb and Dumber, always missing the boat on things, and if they do this trade it will be a "Do you realize what you've done?" moment. The only way I see this as good is if Jake Gardiner could help land Justin Schultz.

Tambellini needs to grow a set and go looking at making a trade to get another pick in the top 5 instead of waiting for action from other GM's, be aggressive man! This is a pivitol point in the rebuild and Tambi better not mess it up or he should be the next to go.

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#33 LoDog
June 06 2012, 08:37AM
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Thats the thing Willis. It has to be what many would consider an overpay. If the Leafs or anyone else want the #1 you don't trade it for what may be equal value. You wring them for everything they got or keep the shiny prize.

Therefore the Oilers will take the shiny prize.

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#34 OTOWN
June 06 2012, 08:38AM
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Then imagine if we were lucky enough to draft Henrik Samuelsson at the top of the second round...

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#35 steelymac
June 06 2012, 08:47AM
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If you get Gardiner in the trade your chances of getting Shultz go up big.

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#36 neojanus
June 06 2012, 09:20AM
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I'm not trading the pick unless there are two scenarios.

I get a star defenceman on a contract and a late first round pick

OR

I get two top prospects with NHL experience (D-man and forward) and a high draft pick in the Top 7-8

Both would also have to be an overpay because Yakupov will likely be one of the best players barring any catastrophic circumstances.

Toronto doesn't have the cards that intrigue me enough. Gardiner is on my list, but Kadri isn't and Schenn isn't.

Edmonton doesn't HAVE to trade here. Just take the amazing winger and keep building the best core you can until you can sign a great player or can let one of your extremely valuable assets go at a high price.

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#37 Team Hall
June 06 2012, 09:34AM
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Junk junk trade idea. Reminds me of the Thornton deal, a bunch of decent players for a great player. How did that deal do? Forget it, don't trade the #1 overall for anything short of previous years #1 overalls or similar: Tavares, Hedman, Duchene, Pietrangelo, OEL, etc etc. You get the idea. Not a bunch of mediocrity for one great player.

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#38 bdiddy18
June 06 2012, 09:36AM
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You want to take defensemen from the 2nd worst goals against squad last year. The team that had the third worst penalty kill and a defensive squad that was a key contributor to the absolute tank of a season for the final 6-8 weeks of the season after being in the playoff hunt for most of the year.

Outside of Phaneuf and Gardiner - the only offensive threats they have on D - the rest are more of the same style of D we already have - shut down guys.

No point - also maybe Gardiner can be had into the season should Toronto struggle yet again and gives the Oilers time to assess their forwards. If the young guns are truly ready to take over Toronto would have no problem taking on Hemsky's term/salary.

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#39 Rick
June 06 2012, 09:42AM
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13 years ago Burke pulls off the deal of his career to establish hsi reputation, ever since he has basically been reduced to just talking a good game.

With the main difference of the last few years being that he is now in a location that actually listens to him.

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#40 French Toast Mafia
June 06 2012, 09:59AM
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Kadri blows. Might as well keep omark and get Schremp back as well if we wanna grab that type of player

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#41 theGORD
June 06 2012, 10:36AM
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neojanus wrote:

I'm not trading the pick unless there are two scenarios.

I get a star defenceman on a contract and a late first round pick

OR

I get two top prospects with NHL experience (D-man and forward) and a high draft pick in the Top 7-8

Both would also have to be an overpay because Yakupov will likely be one of the best players barring any catastrophic circumstances.

Toronto doesn't have the cards that intrigue me enough. Gardiner is on my list, but Kadri isn't and Schenn isn't.

Edmonton doesn't HAVE to trade here. Just take the amazing winger and keep building the best core you can until you can sign a great player or can let one of your extremely valuable assets go at a high price.

My thinking is, if the Oilers really are considering Grigs, Forsberg, Reinhart, and Murray with that pick. If one of them is available at 8th, and Toronto has acquired and offers this pick for Yak, along with Gardiner, Schenn, and Kadri, then how do you not do it? Again, if Stu sees it as being this close and isn't 100 % sold on Yak and truly is happy with any of those other 4, then you're basically getting one of your guys, plus 2 young dmen, both with top 4 potential, both NHL ready, and a flashy winger, who even though he is unproven, should not be a write off yet (i.e.. see magnus paajarvi) as all bonus pieces. and even if only one of them works out in addition to the pick, then you come out ahead. If Stu sees Yak as the best player by far and really wouldn't be happy with any of the other 4, then maybe the deal isn't enough. I know I'd personally be happy to trade the first pick for this package...

8th - Grigs or Forsberg Gardiner Schenn Kadri

to me, that's enough of an overpayment to make me pull the trigger. I've always liked Schenn, I'm hoping that he's just going through his development and will end up being a solid dman. Gardiner is a good, young, puck moving dman, I see him as Petry, but with more offensive upside. Kadri's a wild card, he's not slow like Schremp, and he's does have good hands. He may be end up being a nice fit on our 2nd line. And finally Grigs or Forsberg would end up filling that big 2nd line centre that we've wanted/needed for so many years now. I prefer Grigs as he's played centre all year. I know Forsberg played both centre and the wing. One thing is certain, he'd be a centre on our team.

Some people believe Yakupov is by far the best player, and it's not even close. Some people believe Schenn is overrated and almost a bust. Some people believe Gardiner is unproven and hasn't done anything yet. Some people believe Kadri is nothing more than an AHLer. If you feel that way, I can see why you wouldn't be happy with this trade. All I know is that, if we turned a first line RWer into 2 top 4 dmen, a 2 top 6 forwards. I'd be very happy.

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#42 theGORD
June 06 2012, 10:40AM
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French Toast Mafia wrote:

Kadri blows. Might as well keep omark and get Schremp back as well if we wanna grab that type of player

Kadri's young and unproven and is far from the main piece of the deal. He's piece 4 of 4. He's also a much better skater than Schremp and he's the same age as Paajarvi. He's far from a sure thing, but he's also not a bust either.

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#43 Quicksilver ballet
June 06 2012, 10:49AM
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Have to admire Brian Burke. He's the guy who could actually do something like this, while Tambellini can only dream of such ambitions.

Starting to get the feeling this is the draft that confirms that Edmonton management is incompetent.

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#44 Oilers_21
June 06 2012, 11:16AM
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Best bet is go and get the pick from Carolina for a roster forward(U pick) and use that for Reilly, Reinhart, Dumba... We get we want and need from the Draft without pickin up guys the Leafs don't want... Outside of Gardiner anyways.

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#45 The Soup Fascist
June 06 2012, 11:20AM
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Re: Yakupov. Anything that does not bring an established star in a demonstrated "need position"(Big First Line Center or #1 Dman) - who also happens to have a contract that is viable - is craziness IMO. Toronto has neither of these. Yakupov has the tools to be a 40 goal guy! How many top 3 overall forwards from the OHL have been average players let alone busts? (credit to Stauffer for pointing this one out). The top 3 overall OHL forwards since 2001:

2011 - Landeskog 2010 - Hall / Seguin 2009 - Tavares / Duchene 2008 - Stamkos 2007 - P. Kane 2006 - J. Staal 2005 - B. Ryan 2003 - E. Staal / Horton 2002 - Nash 2001 - J Spezza

Who are the "slackers" in this group? Horton (a 6'2" 230 lb center with 380 pts in 548 games)? Bobby Ryan ( a 6"2" 220 lb power forward with 259 pts in 332 games)?

Someone please tell me, who from the above list - Horton's current injury issues not withstanding - would you trade for Kadri / Schenn or Gardiner. Statistically, Yakupov is as much a mortal lock to be an excellent top 6 forward as there is.

If you can get #8 overall by trading anyone outside of the 3 kids or Smid / Petry, look at it. You MAY get a future first pairing D-man out of it. Don't see Carolina biting on a Hemsky for #8 though.

I am fine with taking YAK and trying to land Schultz and a UFA fill in top 4 D-man (I still like Carle) to stop the bleeding and upgrade the existing defence to "adequete". If ST can accomplish this - no small feat - I am a very happy camper. Maybe I am dreaming we can actually sign two Top 4 D-men.

Tell me the kids being a year older and bigger, Yakupov, and two of J Schultz / Carle / Wideman / Garrison / B. Allen / et al does not make us a LOT better.

And Tamby, if Brian Burke phones, tell him to P.F.O. - and the "please" is optional. I beseech you - DO NOT OVERTHINK THIS!

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#46 WhattaMike
June 06 2012, 11:57AM
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First off IMO, is that Burke would have to send Schenn and Gardiner to get this year's #1 pick overall for the fifth pick at least.

Tambellini and Lowe would not go down to eight if a three way deal with Carolina was to take place due to that there is still Columbus, then Motnreal, the New Yor Islandere, Anaheim and Minnesota picking ahead of eighth. By then Murray, Reinhart, Grigorenko, Forsberg, or even Teurovainen and Dumba could be gone.

The Oil would still have a good pick at this timne but it would not be of a potential superstar status.

Besides, along with the likelihood of losing the specific player they want, who says that the Oil would be guaranteed of getting Schultz as well, even if Gardiner was traded here?

I am one who does not like Burke or the Maple Leafs so why would I help them out if I was with the Oiler Brass....lol.

We take Yakupov at #1, then see what happens by dealing for Carolina's eighth pick. probably would offer Hemsky and/or Gagner. Then we trade with the Islanders for fourth overall and take Reinhart. At this point, I would offer to the Isle the eighth pick and either Peckham or Plante with maybe Lander (unless Paajarvi has to go)to open up some room for the next wave of juniors entering into the AHL, such as Marancin, Musil, Davidson, etc.

If that works out we would then have Yakupov to explode with our other super kids (Hall, RNH, Eberle), along with Reinhart for the very near future, and still have a #1 pick nex year in place.

We still then also have that #32 pick this year to shore up either defence once more or take a goalie.

Just food for thought and maybe way too complicated to take place. Intriguing scenario dont ya think?

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#47 The Oilers Shot Clock
June 06 2012, 01:35PM
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Hall,Eberle,RNH,Hemsky,Yakupov,......Jeebus. Take the pick, score the goals, make everyone else jealous.

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#48 OILER86
June 06 2012, 02:30PM
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Are u effing kidding me? Yeah let's go out of our way to help Toronto draft arguably the 2 best prospects in this years draft for freaking Luke Schenn and next years first rounder? Hoooorrrrrible idea and will NEVER happen.

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#49 OIL4LIFE
June 06 2012, 02:47PM
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Just a thought, but its great to get the team younger and its great to have ELC's to work with. What about the cap floor? And how do you keep a team of all young stars together?

It is conceivable that by getting to young and to loaded with talent that the team implodes. Thats why they call them a general manager not a super star locator.

Hall,Eberle,Nuge,Petry,smid,Gagner,Yakupov(maybe)or Schenn and Gardiner. If they all got 6 million ( yes high for some low for others) Thats either 48 million for 8 players or 54 million for 9 players.

Looks like it could become a problem.

Thats why most of the great teams run a rotation thru the ranks some young players and some vets. Are we getting to young?

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#50 a guy
June 06 2012, 02:55PM
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If the Oilers could just sign Shultz, then Gardiner for Yakupov sounds like a bad deal for the Oilers. So I still say no. There is very little that would sway me to make a trade. I hope Oilers management isn't stressing about a trade, and hopefully they're focusing on all the other options.

As well, there is a long term plan here to build the team right - and why Tambo was offered an extension - so why try shortcuts now that could actually hinder the clubs overall development in a couple years time. The goal shouldn't be 8th place, it should be a cup, so take Yakupov, build, build, build the youth, and then go get the key pieces. Just like Tambo said in the beginning.

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