Should the Edmonton Oilers be interested in Jonathan Bernier?

Jonathan Willis
July 13 2012 11:54AM

The situation in net for the Oilers is not particularly good. Devan Dubnyk has shown well over the last two seasons, but isn’t a sure thing and backup Nikolai Khabibulin has had one good, healthy, season since the NHL lockout. With Los Angeles Kings goalie Jonathan Bernier requesting a trade, should the Oilers be interested?

The short answer: probably not.

Yesterday, Bernier told French-language media that he had requested a trade back at the NHL’s trade deadline. The Kings told him it wasn’t happening. Now, however, he expects that the team will accommodate his request prior to training camp. From L.A. Lariviere with TVA Sports, who broke the story on Twitter yesterday:

Bernier’s a good goaltender, and should attract interest from teams in need of net-minding help. The 23-year old was the 11th overall pick of the 2006 Draft, and had two excellent seasons as a starter with Manchester of the AHL prior to a pair of decent seasons as a backup in Los Angeles. Likely, he will show himself as a starter-calibre goalie in the NHL at some point in his career.

The thing is that Los Angeles, like Vancouver with Cory Schneider last year, really has no reason to accommodate his request unless they get what they perceive to be fair value coming back the other way. Bernier’s under contract for next season at a reasonable cap hit, and he will be a restricted free agent afterwards, meaning that the Kings can safely use him for a year and still be confident that he’ll have trade value next summer. It might be tough for the Kings to get his name on a new contract a year from now, but that’s not a pressing reason to deal him.

It’s been suggested in some quarters that Bernier must be dealt so as to keep peace in the locker room, but to put it bluntly that’s a crock. Bernier asked for a trade at last year’s deadline, meaning that this situation existed all through the Kings’ playoff run – and as I recall, the team did okay in the post-season. (Digression: This particular locker room also featured ‘Dry Island’ duo of Jeff Carter and Mike Richards, the much-maligned Dustin Penner, and others. If ever there was a team that proved the lasting worthlessness of arm-chair team psychology, it was this one.)

So, despite Bernier’s stated wish to go elsewhere, the Kings are under no particular pressure to move him immediately. That means they’ll be expecting so receive market value for him, and despite the fact that Bernier remains unproven, market value seems to be pretty high. A few recent trades involving young goalies shows that:

  • Semyon Varlamov (Career: 59GP, 0.917 SV% at time of trade) – traded for a first round pick (Colorado had finished with the second overall pick that summer) and a second round selection.
  • Anders Lindback (Career: 38GP, 0.914 SV%) – traded with Kyle Wilson and a seventh round pick for Sebastien Caron, two second-round picks and a third-round pick
  • Sergei Bobrovsky (Career: 83GP, 0.909 SV%) – traded for a second round pick and two fourth round picks

None of those goaltenders really come close to the draft pedigree of Bernier, with Varlamov (a 23rd overall pick) coming closest. Where would Bernier’s value lie, compared to the three above? It seems likely that the Kings would be looking for at least a first-round pick; they might even be able to finesse a little more out of an organization.

The Oilers aren’t really in a position to be giving up first round picks; maybe they could swap a prospect instead but either way the acquisition would be pricey. Additionally, they aren’t really set up to acquire a goalie like Bernier.

The team’s decision not to buyout Nikolai Khabibulin – as well as to ink Yann Danis to an incredibly lucrative AHL contract – means they’re ill-suited to adding a goalie without sending one away. Would the Oilers be willing to bury Khabibulin’s contract in the minors? It seems unlikely, particularly given that if the Oilers had bought out Khabibulin in the summer, they’d have saved $1.25 million in real money. If they had real interest in upgrading between the pipes, that was something they likely would have done.

Nor is Bernier a clear upgrade on Devan Dubnyk. Leaving aside the size factor (which is increasingly becoming a vital factor for goalies), Bernier has played 48 career games and posted a 0.910 save percentage. Dubnyk has 101 career games under his belt with a 0.910 save percentage – and the latter number is dragged down by a 19-game run in 2009-10 where he posted just a 0.889 save percentage. Bernier may be the better player in the long run, but it isn't at all clear that he'll be hte better player next season.

If the Kings were in a bind with Bernier, a position where the Oilers had some leverage to extract a favourable deal, things might be different. But at this point, paying a premium price in assets for a guy who may not be an upgrade over the current starter – and who will clearly be displeased if he ends up as the backup – would be a mistake.

THIS WEEK BY JONATHAN WILLIS

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 13 2012, 11:59AM
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Doobey and Madjam to the Kings for Bernier. Do it!

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#2 pelhem grenville
July 13 2012, 12:14PM
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madjam is rumored to have a NMC...

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#3 Calvin
July 13 2012, 12:17PM
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He wears Vaughn pads. Vaughn pads are like mythical artifacts that turn average goalies into superhuman goalies in clutch situations. I'm on board.

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#4 kgo
July 13 2012, 12:41PM
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...madjam wears Vaughn pads too?

madjam wears maxi pads...

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#5 Calvin
July 13 2012, 12:33PM
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@billylikestodrinksoda

Ah yes my mistake. Should've looked closer at the picture. But the original point still stands! Hire a goalie with Vaughn pads!

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#6 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 13 2012, 01:44PM
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One bad goal per game monkey enters stage left and settles on Devans back.

No pressure Dubey...

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#7 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 13 2012, 04:40PM
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What would it cost to buyout Devan Dubnyk?

..i kid, just preparing for next summer.

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#8 pelhem grenville
July 13 2012, 12:21PM
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...madjam wears Vaughn pads too?

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#9 dawgbone
July 13 2012, 12:31PM
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"Dubnyk has 101 career games under his belt with a 0.910 save percentage – and the latter number is dragged down by a 19-game run in 2009-10 where Khabibulin posted just a 0.889 save percentage."

Khabibulin is so awful he drags down the numbers of his teammates, even when he's injured and isn't playing ;)

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#10 Reg Dunlop
July 13 2012, 12:52PM
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That Varlamov trade was a substantial overpay. If LA is looking for a similar return for Bernier... I hope they have to keep looking. Dubnyk is our #1 and he will thrive in that role. Also, Khabbi is finishing his contract here so he will doubtless have a good year

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#11 BurkeTheTurd
July 13 2012, 01:25PM
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Love to have him as a backup to replace Bullin. Can't have him here if he thinks he deserves the #1 spot. If he can earn it, great, but can't be given to him

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#12 Spartacus
July 13 2012, 02:00PM
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Does this loyalty to Khabibulin in the face of all logic help to counteract some of the bad PR accrued by the Oilers management during the Souray Scenario?

Or during the Comrie Complications?

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#13 Smokey
July 13 2012, 06:17PM
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The whole team psychology is overblown. When the team wins, no one cares in Penner's has a pancake problem, Bernier wants a trade, if Doughty is paid too much for being only a 40 point guy, and Mike Richards and Jeff Carter are smoozing with Kobe and the Laker girls. The team looks for fall guys when theres a lack of success.

When the Kings loose 8 straight in December, Penner's problem with the pancake and malt based beverages will occur. The Philly fab duo will need rehab, and people will claim the King's need a back-up to spell off a tired Jonathan Quick whos all of sudden swears to much in interviews and needs a solid number 2.

Sports is stupid

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#14 Eddie Edmonton
July 13 2012, 12:22PM
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That's a genius question. Of course not. We have Dubnyk for now, and Bunz and Roy on the come up. Bernier is not a proven goalie, just a proven whinner. No thanks. Next article please.

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#15 billylikestodrinksoda
July 13 2012, 12:27PM
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He wears Vaughn pads. Vaughn pads are like mythical artifacts that turn average goalies into superhuman goalies in clutch situations. I'm on board.

No idea if this is some sort of inside joke or what. If it is, my apologies, but he definitely wears Reebok as he is sponsored by Reebok

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#16 BlacqueJacque
July 13 2012, 12:30PM
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Nope. Bernier is trying to get out of a situation where he's behind a capable goalie. Dubnyk signed a starter contract and probably will be pissed if he's playing behind soon-for-the-glue factory Khabibulin. If we trade for Bernier, we will have one pissed off goaltender or another. Given how 'well' the Oilers do when a trade demand appears from a player, this isn't the healthiest course of action for the team IMO.

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#18 madjam
July 13 2012, 12:51PM
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BERNIER IS AN UPGRADE -plain and simple and thus worth inquiring about . A lot of Oilers nation has little negotiating skills . Everyone including Crosby are for sale just like Gretzky was - you just have to find the price and start negotiating from there . Dubnyk should get L.A.'s attention for many reasons . Even without dangling Dubnyk , Bernier is worth persuing even if a deal may not be reached as we still have to adequately replace Khabby this year or next .

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#19 steveb12344
July 13 2012, 12:51PM
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Good article JW... Very well thought out.

Under the circumstances, it would make no sense to go after Bernier.

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#20 Will
July 13 2012, 12:56PM
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So if the Oilers are intent on not upgrading our goal tending situation this year, other than trading starter positions, and Habby's contract runs out next year. Will the team promote someone in the system (Roy / Bunz) or go after a goalie in free agency and try and get someone on the cheap (like Washington did with Vokune)? If it's the latter, who's going to be available for cheap, and will that goalie near the end of his career be an upgrade on Habby (well obviously since much has been written about Habby being the worst signing of any team in the last three years).

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#21 oilerman53
July 13 2012, 01:02PM
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Bernier asking a trade from the Kings means he wants a shot at number one. I think the guy only has like 45+ games or something as experience. Dubnyk with his new contract should be given his shot. This really isn't a giant leap forward for the Oilers or a giant leap back. To me Dubey starts and Khabbi grabs some pine. Goalies are so unpredictable these days, remember some years ago Steve Mason playing unreal? Mathieau Garon playing unreal? This year Brian Elliott and Mike Smith becoming the next Brodeurs. As dumb as this may sound I think Dubnyk has been steadily rising, hes been playing on horrible teams so its tough to gauge his development based on losing seasons on losing teams. At times though he does make things look super easy, I say keep developing him and if all else fails make a trade.

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#22 T__Bone88
July 13 2012, 01:03PM
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I agree, would Bernier really be much of an upgrade over Dubnyk? How many times do you see an goalie taken in the 1st round become only average to below average (only exceptions Luongo, Ward, Price etc.). You would think by now Bernier with his pedigree would of taken over the number 1 position. I think the best course of action is keep drafting goalies until you find your elite starter and only trade if you are absolutely desperate and have no one in the system (ie. Tampa, Colorado).

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#23 Cody anderson
July 13 2012, 01:28PM
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I would inquire to see what it would cost and ask to talk to him. If he can be had cheap and is ok coming in and playing for a spot then I would go for it.

We have a career AHL goalie as insurance and a guy that plays worse then your average homeless person could play for a cheeseburger as our back up. If Dubnyk gets hurt our season is over. Start out the season splitting games and make it well know going in that the job is up for grabs. It seems to be the trend in the NHL no to have a poweful goaltending tandem that each pulls their weight.

An ideal situation would see one of them stepping up and winning the starting role but even then one playing 50 games and the other playing 32. No back to backs are played, in case of injury we are in good hands and if they are both playing well let the backup play enough to increase his value for trade.

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#24 Oiler AL
July 13 2012, 01:37PM
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Pass.... just singed Dubby for $7 large. Bernier wants to be the 'GUY", , so you have Dubby as back on a $7.00 mil contract. Not good planning, not mention the final year of Habbys deal.

For now its sink or swin and see how he carries the workload. Maybe with a better defensive play this might help him {dubby}. He sill has a problem with his post to post movements ... little slow on the draw.

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#25 will
July 13 2012, 01:52PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

I would inquire to see what it would cost and ask to talk to him. If he can be had cheap and is ok coming in and playing for a spot then I would go for it.

We have a career AHL goalie as insurance and a guy that plays worse then your average homeless person could play for a cheeseburger as our back up. If Dubnyk gets hurt our season is over. Start out the season splitting games and make it well know going in that the job is up for grabs. It seems to be the trend in the NHL no to have a poweful goaltending tandem that each pulls their weight.

An ideal situation would see one of them stepping up and winning the starting role but even then one playing 50 games and the other playing 32. No back to backs are played, in case of injury we are in good hands and if they are both playing well let the backup play enough to increase his value for trade.

I gotta say Cody, usually your comments are well thought out and on point, not that this one isn't, but I really disagree for our current goal tending position. I think the contract Dubnyk just got lets him know he has an unimpeded shot at being the Oiler's number one for the future. Bringing in someone to challenge for the number one spot would be counter productive, and it also is't the best goal tending situation possible. Sure Halack and Elliot were great in the regular season, but as soon as the Playoffs got under way, they folded. Also, teams that have a clear cut number one, and then happen to also get talented back-up are the teams usually with the strongest goal tending (Lunqvuist, Thomas, Miller, Ward, Quick, Kipper, Brodure) This is what the team should be looking for Dubnyk to become. True we need an upgrade on our backup, but not someone who's going to challenge for the number one. Instead we need someone who's comfortable playing a good amount of games in a solid backup role, like Schnider did with Luongo before the playoffs. That will carry us much deeper than a 1A 1B tandem like the Blues have, or like the Oilers have had for many years.

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#26 rickithebear
July 13 2012, 02:14PM
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Hopefu;lly there is no one silly enough to suggest trading Dubnyk with a .915 Save% over the last two seasons on a 30th place team.

We had an improvement in the quality of defence pairs 1. with acquiring N. Schultz. 2. plus playing cam barker less. 3. Whitney's return in Jan.

Dubnyk went 16W - 11L - 4OTL with a .920 SV%

Imagine 65 games with a further improved D.

Bernier please!

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#27 Cody anderson
July 13 2012, 02:15PM
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@ Will

Thanks for the compliment before crushing me....lol. Just kidding.

For the record, I hate the contract they offered Dubnyk. I would have offered him longer term to show my confidence in him rather then the larger amount. If we continue to overpay we will be in cap trouble in a hurry. All that being said I think we are all going to be pleasantly surprised with Dubnyk this year. He posted above average numbers with the worst defence in the NHL. I would assume with a real defence in place he could be one hell of a goalie. I think he is currently better than Bernier and would win the starting role anyway.

The problem I have is Dubnyk has never been a starter for an 82 game season. If he gets tired we will be throwing points away by putting Khaby in net. If he gets hurt we will be finished. I hate having this kind of risk going into a bubble season. I think the team is on the brink of playoffs and could possibly make them this year.

My ideal would be to sign Bernier as his backup.....but we know that isn't happening and this is where I came up with my previous post. Bernier probably feels he could win the starter role and he is probably smart enough to figure out that even if he ended up being the back up here he is going to play a lot more games then he would as Quick's backup. If we brought him in and I am wrong and he steals the show........then we have a star goalie and I would be willing to deal with Dubnyk's hurt feelings.

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#28 rickithebear
July 13 2012, 02:31PM
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"One bad goal per game monkey enters stage left.

No pressure Dubey..."

Bernier got a .911 Sv%. Facing 27.4 shots a game with a cup winning D.

Dubnyk got a .915 Sv%. Facing 31.6 shots a game with a less than average D.

Some people latch on to the negative imagine that occured a couple times all season and ignore the other 40 Games.

I will take the odd bad game for the other 35 he kept us in.

I mean really! "bad goal per game monkey"

This kind of hyperbole is ..........!

Then I saw it was you!

Par for the coarse!

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#29 vetinari
July 13 2012, 02:47PM
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I would prefer to go into the 2012-13 season with a tandem of Dubnyk/Bernier fighting it out for ice time (with Khabi buried in the minors, or better yet, playing in Europe) than a Dubnyk/Khabi duo, however, that ain't likely to happen.

My thought would be to at least call LA and see what they want for Bernier. If it's a package like either one of Roy or Bunz and the rights to an RFA or two (Omark, Peckham), then seriously look at the deal. If they want first rounders or roster players, Bernier ain't a cler starter and you could, ugggh, probably get Luongo instead for that price.

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#30 PabstBR55
July 13 2012, 03:04PM
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Does anyone think that instead of buying him out the Oilers' plan is to waive Khabbi early in the season once another team has goalie problems or injuries? This way the entire cap, or at least half of it, will come off the books if he gets picked up, even on re-entries.

I'm surprised Danis decided to re-up but maybe the Oilers are planning to try and get rid of Khabibulin this season in a way that lessens the team's financial obligations, and informed Danis that there might be opportunity to spend significant enough time in the show this upcoming season.

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#31 Cowbell_Feva
July 13 2012, 03:06PM
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I have said to the boys at work that the Oil should go after Bernier for over a year now. He has the talent, just not giving the opportunity being behind a superstar in Quick. Having two goalies as healthy competition is benefitial to both players as their gave either gets elevated or they ride pine.

However, after giving up $3.5 million for 2 season to Dubey, while still having Khabby on the books, I don't think this is the right time for the Oilers to look into it....unfortunately.

I have said it before, I'm not convinced Dubnyk is a legitimate #1 in the NHL. When Quicksilver mentioned the bad goal per game, he wasn't too far off! Dubnyk seems to want to break into a starter after a solid game or two, but then follows it up with a couple of stinkers in a row.

I think too many Nation civilions have their Oilers goggles on thinking that a)Dubnyk is a starter and b) this team is a playoff calibre team. We got an unproven NCAA kid as our defensive "upgrade" and another rookie Russian on the wing. How is this going to change anything if any one of the 2 rookies or Dubnyk sputter-because you know all 3 aren't going to be lights out???

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#32 madjam
July 13 2012, 03:20PM
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Bernier had to beat out Quick for starters , and that's no easy task to begin with . Schneider had to beat out Luongo and that was no easy task . L.A. still wants to keep Bernier because he is close to being as good as Quick , if not the equal already. Bernier a lot better than some of you realize . Another goalie of that age and caliber would be a great addition to our club - don't kid yourself this kid is good . He'll prove it just like Schneider if given the chance to be NBR.1 somewhere . Bernier is a clear starter just not on L.A. for now ! Miniscule difference between Bernier and Quick to be honest .

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#33 T__Bone88
July 13 2012, 03:31PM
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@madjam

Then why did neither Columbus or Tampa Bay deal for him, two teams in bad need of goaltending. If he is suppose to be as good as everyone is saying then Florida or Toronto should of already traded for him instead of trading for Luongo and his cap hit. he is more hype than substance.

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#34 Cody anderson
July 13 2012, 03:33PM
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@Cowbell feva

You have some legit concerns and some we all share.

That being said if you compare Dubnyk's record and save percentage the last 2 years to Khaby's;

I don't think you would be far off saying we would have got at least another 5 wins had we ran with Dubnyk as our starter. Dubnyk's save percentage has been above league average on a 30th and 29th place team with the worst d in the league. If you don't think poor D will increase not only the number of shots but also the quality of scoring chances then I want some of whatever you are drinking.

I don't know if Dubnyk will ever be an elite goalie in the NHL, but I think he has already shown he is good enough to be a mid range starter. He does let in the odd soft goal, and that can change a game. They did seem to be coming fewer and further between and anyone who has played goal and most that have played hockey know that goaltending is hugely mental. A confident goalie is much better then one that is shaken. It is certainly not to hard to see how your confidence could be shaken being the backup goalie behind the worst goalie in the league on one of the worst team's in the league.

I flipped when we got J Schultz and I believe he will be the real deal. Obviously there will be an adjustment period where he will go through a learning curve that will include some errors, but I would be very surprised if he is not a major upgrade over barker if not many of our other NHL/AHL Dcorps. if he is paired with a good shut down Dman, preferably n Schultx to cover some of those errors I think he will be fine.

Yak will be a good offensive weapon this year. he may very well struggle on his defensive game, but i expect we will see him getting soft competition for most of the year.

This team is much better then last year, and last year although the standings weren't much improved, it was a much better team then the year before. We are trending in the right direction. We are still lacking depth and a few key injuries could decimate the team, but if we have a reasonably healthy team I think we will be competing for the 8th spot. We are certainly not a shoe-in to make it this year, but I see us being competitive, and I think with Ralph behind the bench we are going to get a better effort out of our vets and be a tougher team to play against.

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#35 Will
July 13 2012, 03:34PM
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@Cody anderson

Ha! That all makes sense. I also think he could have a great year with improved defense. As not having a season at number one, didn't he play 47 games last year?

I don't think 13 extra games is too much of a stretch, or even if he plays 15 extra, and can get ten extra wins out of those 15, I'd be pretty ecstatic.

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#36 Westcoastoil
July 13 2012, 03:57PM
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There's no doubt his contract was a horrible signing, but that's the past and there's only 1 year left. I really don't think that given the summer additions so far, replacing Khabby with Bernier will be the determining factor between playoffs and golf come April. The teams' playoff fate goes beyond the back-up goalie position.

Since none of us are in the room or on the ice at practice with the team we have no way of knowing how much of a positive impact/help Khabby might be for Dubnyk. If there's a good relationship there it may help Dooby in a way that doesn't necessarily translate through numbers - goalies are different creatures. Is he the best backup, clearly not, (worst? maybe) but perhaps he plays well if he's limited to 20ish games and if/when he does stumble they can IR him and then find out if Danis will be a capable back-up next year while Roy/Bunz develop some more in the A.

The team is always being lambasted for a lack of continuity. I think we're picking the pepper out of fly poop on this one.

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#37 Cody anderson
July 13 2012, 03:57PM
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I know this is off topic, but did anyone see the Gagner comparable that just got signed. If he is not willing to sign and goes to arbitration who is a better comparable then Kyle Wellwood?

47 points 1.6 million from a smallish centreman

Great signing!!!!!! But I would use that as his comparable with an arbitrator in order to bring his value down.

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#38 Cody anderson
July 13 2012, 04:09PM
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@ Will

Dubnyk played in 47 but only started 42.

He played the first 3/4 of the season as back up and then ran with it for the last quarter. Ended up starting 50% which is a big increase from previous years. I would think if Khaby is his backup he needs to start 62+ games for them to have a good year.

I have no clue what his conditioning is like, or how he practices. Some goalies could play all 82 games while others burnout if they are playing more then 50. Khaby has had good games and good runs of games. He may be fine as a backup and may come in with something to prove, but he has lost my faith. It is also just as possible another year further diminishes his skill set and losing the starting role effects his confidence making him a shell of what he was last year(Which is hard to picture)

I believe this is the tandem we enter the year with, but would prefer they had bought Khaby out and replaced him with a capable tender.

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#39 Jasmine
July 13 2012, 04:50PM
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Spartacus wrote:

Does this loyalty to Khabibulin in the face of all logic help to counteract some of the bad PR accrued by the Oilers management during the Souray Scenario?

Or during the Comrie Complications?

Khabby never badmouthed the organization but that idiot Souray did. Souray is a cancer in the dressing room, plain and simple.

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#40 Jasmine
July 13 2012, 04:51PM
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rickithebear wrote:

Hopefu;lly there is no one silly enough to suggest trading Dubnyk with a .915 Save% over the last two seasons on a 30th place team.

We had an improvement in the quality of defence pairs 1. with acquiring N. Schultz. 2. plus playing cam barker less. 3. Whitney's return in Jan.

Dubnyk went 16W - 11L - 4OTL with a .920 SV%

Imagine 65 games with a further improved D.

Bernier please!

The Oilers didn't finish in 30th last year. It was 29th.

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#41 madjam
July 13 2012, 05:05PM
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Some of yuo think Bernier is all hype and no substance , and you would be wrong . If you said that about Dubnyk i might buy that at this stage , Dubby was really weak in shootouts as i recall . How far might L.A. have got without the performnces of Quick ? Bernier would be a good canditate to do that for us if we obtain him . I've been a fan of his since his Memorial Cup days where he was simply incredible .

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#42 The Oilers Shot Clock
July 13 2012, 06:06PM
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I think dubnyk has at least earned an opportunity to fail. Give him some rope, lets see what he does with it. I like that he posted good numbers on a bad team, and I like how he's as tall as two Bernier's. Small goalies are dinosaurs...small dinosaurs.

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#43 The Oilers Shot Clock
July 13 2012, 06:13PM
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And is anyone worried that Dannis couldnt step in as a competent backup. If not for the Khabby albatross we would have already seen it.

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#44 Smokey
July 13 2012, 06:19PM
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Oh yeah isn't the recently signed Jared Stoll is going to be a sideshow too now that hes dating the The Great One's party hardy daughter.

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#45 nuge2nail
July 13 2012, 07:14PM
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Oiler Domination to Follow

I would love to see Dubnyks numbers after the departure of Tom "soft hands" Gilbert and the arrival of Nick "The Rock" Schultz..

If someone can make that happen, that would be greatly appreciated. If memory serves me correct, Dubnyk became an elite goalie after his acquisition, but I dont have the stats. Its interesting how Defense makes goalies better and sadly Dubnyk has never had any - hes always had the likes of Barker, Peckham, Sutton patrolling the blue line - so he has never really had the chance to shine

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#46 Oilcruzer
July 13 2012, 07:21PM
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Speaking of psychology, there is some logic in a warped way surrounding the Dubnyk contract.

If he becomes a legit number one, there are no problems. Duh.

But.

If Roy plays into the rotation by the break, then it's easier to trade a player who looks to be paid as a bargain number one instead of trying to say your underpaid player was really a number one.

I don't know if that translates well...

But if the Oil were signing a player from another team that was good but being outplayed by someone else, if that player was making Two Beans a year then no one would believe this guy was really a legit starter. At 3 to 4, the fans in say Florida as example might buy into a trade.

As far as a trade for Bernier goes? No. Too much young depth coming. BTW Did the Oil sign that Finn they drafted last year?

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#47 DSF
July 13 2012, 07:44PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Khabby never badmouthed the organization but that idiot Souray did. Souray is a cancer in the dressing room, plain and simple.

No he wasn't.

Both Horcoff and Penner went out of their way to tell the media Souray was a good team mate and that he would be welcome back in the room.

Various media accounts from Dallas also indicated that Souray was a great team mate and a stand up guy.

Not surprising that he got a new three year deal while Lowe is still cutting him cheques.

Of course, I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Slats for the entire fiasco.

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#48 Oilertown
July 13 2012, 09:16PM
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The short answer: probably not.

Wow have to disagree J.W anything is an improvment over Khabby IMO. Kinda of like the thought of how they could push each other. Not to mention I got a feeling Lomabardi will not be dealing with us. But if he did what do you think the starting asking price would be for him.

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#49 Bryzarro World
July 13 2012, 09:34PM
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#50 wxguy
July 13 2012, 10:04PM
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@The Oilers Shot Clock

Bernier has played 48 career games and posted a 0.910 save percentage...and Danis has played 50 career NHL games and posted a .910 save percentage.

I know Danis is a little small for a goalie, but I don't understand why you would trade for Bernier when you've got a guy with similar ability already in your system. Quick has shown that you don't need to be all that big to be successful in the NHL.

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