Jake Gardiner trade speculation: "No no no no no"

Cam Charron
October 07 2013 10:19PM

It seems that for 29 teams in the league, it's fruitless to speculate on potential moves brought up in the press. Most trades happen serendipitously and without warning, breaking late at night or during lunch and inconvenience reporters that get no advance alert. They have to drop everything and report on something they didn't know to be true ten minutes before.

For the Maple Leafs it's a little more straightforward. The Leafs play smack-dab in the middle of downtown Toronto, the proverbial Death Star of hockey reporting. The Leafs are owned by two media companies that own collectively two sports networks, a newspaper and a magazine. The Leafs are the centrepiece of the CBC's deal with the National Hockey League, with the Maple Leafs getting the prime 7 p.m. slot most nights.

It's generally advisable to ignore any and all rumours dealing with 29 teams in the league. Not with the Maple Leafs. Information gets out quickly and spreads. When something pops up written by a columnist or a television personality, such as the Leafs looking to trade for John Bernier, or to trade Joe Colborne, you'd be wise to listen. Rumours are almost always substantiated in this town. While Dave Bolland was a surprise, David Clarkson was not, and the public got a very detailed look at the negotiation process with Nazem Kadri.

So it's with that qualifier that I feel comfortable highlighting these passages from Elliotte Friedman's 30 Thoughts column, centring around young Jake Gardiner:

14. There is definitely some level of conversation going on between other teams and Toronto involving Jake Gardiner. I despise the word "shopped," as it's more like a feeling-out process. If the Maple Leafs do decide to do it, it's going to be for a young asset or assets. So, you have to look at teams with talented young players. This is PURELY my speculation, but if teams like Dallas, Florida or Minnesota would be interested, you could see a match.

15. The Gardiner talk surprised me, because he was so impressive against Boston in last year's playoffs. There are scouts who still have questions, but most agree that he has a valuable skill -- he can skate the puck out of trouble.

If this is being brought up in 30 Thoughts, you know there's something to it. I can see a situation existing where the Leafs and Gardiner don't see eye to eye:

The other half of that theory is that if Morgan Rielly sticks around, Gardiner is effectively removed from the Top 4. Despite an awesome rookie season, Gardiner had trouble sticking in the Leafs lineup last season and spent way more time in the AHL with the Marlies than he probably should have. Stylistically, Gardiner isn't Mark Fraser. He's not a dependable defenceman that unspectacularly dumps the puck out off the glass and gives possession right back to the opposition. He's a possession player, has the ability to skate the puck out but that results in more giveaways, and more giveaways show up in highlight-reels, and lost is that the Leafs retain more puck-possession with Gardiner on the ice than Fraser or, really, any other Leaf defenceman.

In two seasons, Gardiner's Corsi For % was 49.6%, the highest on the Maple Leafs. He played softer minutes than the Dion Phaneuf's of the world, but the percentage indicates that more shots were being taken in the opposition's end than the Leafs. As maddening and scary as Gardiner's style of play can be, there's a reason why coaches all around the league are using words like "possession" to describe certain players. We don't have zone exit numbers, but given that Gardiner is good at entries, Corsi, and drawing penalties, I'd suspect that he's also good at bringing the puck out of his end at a decent rate.

And maybe 30 points is Gardiner's peak. It doesn't mean he's not a worthwhile player because he may not be a No. 1 defenceman. It means he's a No. 3 or a No. 4 guy with more offensive ability than defensive, and his defensive mistakes get washed out by what he does in the other two zones. Rielly in the Top 4 doesn't make Gardiner expendable—it means that you have another good left-shot defenceman to work with, bumping somebody down the depth chart and making the other pairing better. Depth isn't created by signing a No. 5 defenceman, it's created by signing somebody that has your No. 4 bounce down a slot in the lineup.

I don't know what the Leafs could get, but Gardiner makes $850K against the cap plus whatever into the bonus cushion, so it's not like dealing him will free up money to get another centreman. Maybe they're not shopping him, but I wonder what they possibly think they could get that makes the team better for this season? Is there another player, just as good as Gardiner, on an Entry-Level Deal that's also on the outs with his team?

We'll see what happens. It's just reporting, but Leaf fans and observers have enough anecdotal evidence accrued since Dave Nonis took over to indicate that high-profile journalists reporting on potential moves need to be with more than a grain of salt. We'll see how this turns out in the end, and look forward to watching Gardiner tomorrow against Colorado.

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Cam Charron is a BC hockey fan that writes about hockey on many different websites including this one.
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#1 BCLeafFan
October 08 2013, 08:08AM
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I don't get it but there's a lot about NHL teams that I don't understand. Three games into an 82 game season and a coach is fired. Three games in, and a top prospect like Gardiner makes it into the daily rumour mill. Can you imagine the pressure on Morgan Reilly if he sticks and the Leafs move Jake Gardiner? Here's a thought - how about the Leafs keep both Reilly and Gardiner and develop them? When Randy Carlyle was hired, my first reaction was, "Good, now the Leafs will develop defencemen who can handle the pressure." It still makes sense to follow that path. Let's see where the next 79 games takes us.

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#2 Nick
October 08 2013, 07:19AM
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We all know Gardiner has his flaws, but he is easily the most exciting player on the leafs D core. Last year in the playoffs, everytime he touched the puck something crazy happened. He would be leading rushes, pinching in dangerously, following up offensive plays. these are all high risk plays for a D man, but so exciting. I hate the idea that just because Carlyle doesn't like our highly touted Defence prospect, we will lose the chance to watch him play. I was fine with losing MacArthur and even Grabo, but for the love of god don't trade Gardiner.

There are too many Offencive D men on this roster. The fact is, Phaneuf maybe won't be on this team next year (Expiring contract, too much money etc.) He can essentially be replaced by Franson (we hope). The leafs need smooth skating, two way defensemen to balance out their three top defensive prospects who are all offensive (Franson, Rielly and Gardiner) Gunnarsson is a keeper for sure though, he is the most underrated D man, great skater, good size, decent passer, decent shot. if the leafs had three of him to pair with Franson, Rielly and Gardiner, they would be all set.

gone is the era of a slow, crushing defencemen. we need speed on the back end, active sticks, good passing and positional awareness. Gardiner brings this and shouldn't even be considered in a trade

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#3 Matt
October 08 2013, 08:06AM
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I just bought a Jake Gardiner plaque from NHL.com last night. This news does not please me.

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#4 STAN
October 08 2013, 01:01AM
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Just a few quick observations.

1. Gardiner was still suffering the after-affects of concussion last season. Head trauma is serious and everybody reacts differently. Gardiner took longer than some other players to get over his.

2. I think the concussion changed his style just enough to show the already sour Carlyle that Gardiner wasn't about to get too physical, relying instead on his speed, smarts and puck movement.

3. Ironically, Carlyle was a smooth-skating puck mover, but since he's become a coach he seems to resent them.

4. I bet it's just a matter of time before Rielly's style drives him nuts.

5. Leiweke put all his money on Nonis, Nonis was part of management that brought in Carlyle, Carlyle will probably be extended by Nonis and whomever Carlyle likes stays. Those he doesn't will go.

6. If they do move him, they'd better get back another D-man,'cause Ranger, Cpt. Pylon, Fraser and Gunnarson aren't world beaters. Franson is the only elite guy... and the farm isn't brimming with elite D talent.

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#5 nick
October 08 2013, 07:21AM
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@Nick

unless it's for like Yakupov or something that is, I would still be sad though

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#6 Luke
October 08 2013, 10:32AM
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"It seems that for 29 teams in the league, it's fruitless to speculate on potential moves brought up in the press. "

But we in Toronto have bloggers like you, so viola pointless speculation article!

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#7 STAN
October 08 2013, 12:44PM
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Excellent piece in the NP today re: Gardiner. Bottom line? For Gawd's Sake Don't Trade Him !

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/10/08/why-the-toronto-maple-leafs-should-not-trade-jake-gardiner/

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#8 Jimmy
October 09 2013, 03:38AM
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Trade Carlyle.

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#9 Tyler
October 09 2013, 02:16PM
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nick wrote:

unless it's for like Yakupov or something that is, I would still be sad though

If that was the return, you should probably crap your pants with joy. That would be like saying if the Oilers could trade Yakupov for Crosby and Letang, they'd be okay with it. But still sad though :(

WoW - overvalued much?

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#10 Ryan
October 09 2013, 02:37PM
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Fire Dave Nonis

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