GDB 42.0: PLAYING FOR PRIDE

Jason Gregor
April 16 2013 12:23PM

The Oilers won't reach their goal of making the playoffs. For them it sucks. They want to win, and missing the playoffs for the 7th consecutive season must feel like a swift kick to the junk. However, the Oilers need to suck it up and compete in their final seven games.

If they don't, then new genernal manager Craig MacTavish will have a much more difficult job trying to re-shape his team. If the Oilers don't have enough competitive players, it doesn't matter how much skill, speed or size they assemble. You can't win if you aren't willing to match the intensity, desperation and desire of the opposition.

"We basically lost to the &*(&*(#@$% Abbotsford Heat last game...We didn't just lose, we got our ass kicked," an Oiler player told me yesterday. He was embarrassed by his team's performance and said the next seven games guys have to show each other they care. He said it off the record, so I can't attribute it to him, but he was fuming which surprised me since I've never seen him that amped up.

We'll see if his teammates feel the same as him when they face the Minnesota Wild.

The Wild are in 6th place, one point up on St. Louis and two up on Detroit and Columbus. A month ago they looked like a lock to make the playoffs, but they are 3-6-1 in their last 10. They aren't playing very well down the stretch and the young Oilers have an opportunity to share their non-playoff disappointment with another Northwest division foe.

LINEUP

The Oilers recalled Teemu Hartikainen and Anton Lander yesterday and both will be in the lineup tonight. I'd have thrown Hartikainen beside RNH and Eberle and put Hall with Gagner and Yakupov, because the top line hasn't scored a goal in five games, so switch it up.

Kreuger will switch up his lines:

Hall/Gagner/Yakupov
Paajarvi/RNH/Eberle
Hartikainen/Lander/Horcoff
Brown/Smyth/Petrell

Smid/Petry
N.Schultz/J.Schultz
Fistric/Potter

Dubnyk

At this point you might as well look at many different combos. It is odd seeing Horcoff on the wing and Smyth at centre, but for one game why not. It shouldnt' matter what positions the players play, all 18 skaters must simply play hard and smart.  

QUICK HITS

  • Craig MacTavish will be much more decisive and proactive than Steve Tambellini. I'm not sure if he'll be Paul Holmgren-ish, but he's not going to hesitate to makes some moves. That could be good and bad of course, but Oilers fans will have lots to discuss this off-season. I suspect you will see at least 7 new regulars on the roster next year.
     
  • I'm not surprised MacTavish said he'd make bold moves. I wrote this on March 27th, yet many claimed I was clueless. A bold move doesn't mean shipping out 4th liners, it means moving out a good player and getting a good one in return. It won't be a surprise when MacTavish pulls off a deal, but it will be intriguing to see how many deals he makes.
     
  • If I had to rank the most pressing needs of the Oilers, i'd go with these. 1. A strong veteran shut down D-man who can play 20 minutes. 2. Another puck moving defenceman. 3. One, and ideally two, top-six forwards with strength and size. 4. A third line veteran forward who is physical, can kill penalties and play tough minutes. None of those are easy to find, but that is what this team needs. If Oscar Klefbom makes the team next year, he has to start the season in the third pairing. They can't rely on him to be a top-four. If he plays his way up the ranks, great, but he shouldn't be expected to start there.
     
  • The great part about sports is that we will all interpret comments/quotes differently. Kevin Lowe's comments yesterday regarding "two-types of fans" had many fans irate. He never said he cares or listens to season ticket holders more, he said they communicate with them more, which is true. Ideally, he never should have said "two-different type of fans," because automatically those who aren't season seat holders will feel offended.  You can say he chose the wrong words, but Lowe interacts with fans more than his players, so any suggestion that he doesn't care about fans would be misleading. I actually thought his comment about six Stanley Cup rings would rile people up more than his fan comment. Either way, It made for some excellent debates.
     
  • The Wild are in a battle for the final three playoff spots. They can't afford to take the Oilers lightly, and I suspect they won't. The Wild didn't skate this morning, but Mikko Koivu made it clear that they expect the Oilers to be hungry and ready to show their new GM they are worthy of being part of the team moving forward. It was an interesting take from an opposing player, and I'm curious to see if he is right.

TONIGHT....

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Wild played last night, so the Oilers should have more energy and a heightened urge to impress their new GM. Oilers squeek out a 2-1 win.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Someone will try and make the Clutterbuck/Hall hit a story line. Clutterbuck has only fought twice in the last three seasons, but someone will go with the redemption angle. Clutterbuck loves to hit, and if he takes a few healthy runs at the Oilers none of us should be surprised.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Lander has played 60 NHL games thus far, but he's played 13+ minutes only 9 times. He will play 14 minutes tonight, and he will end his 19-game (dating back to last year) goal-scoring drought in the 2nd period.

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#51 DigDeepNBleedBlue
April 16 2013, 03:28PM
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Jackson wrote:

WOW trade for me would be .

Jordan Eberle for Adam Larsson.

Makes some sense to both sides.

Larsson should be a good D-man. "Should" being the appropriate word here. He's not proven to this point. He's young and that's good, but there will still be a learning curve.

I think there's something here, but I'm not sure the Oil would benefit with a young D-man, which is why I got on the "rose coloured glasses on" for Weber.

If they did do a trade like this, however, I wouldn't be pulling my hair out, but I would want something else thrown in. Eberle is a good player.

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#52 Bucknuck
April 16 2013, 03:34PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Habby has virtually the identical numbers/sv% to Dubnyk, there's no difference.

Perhaps it would've been appropriate to claim the Oilers need 2 goaltenders if you're unsatisfied with those type of numbers. Neither of these goaltenders are good enough to get you into the playoffs.

Since Weber can't be moved till mid/late summer, it may not have to involve the Oilers first choice in 2013. How about Eberle, Hemsky and the first in 2014? Throw Omark in the trunk on that deal if they want.

Sorry Quicksilver, but the sample size is too small to make that kind of a bold declaration about Khabibulin. However if you look at the last three years, you will see that Khabibulin isn't at the same level as Dubnyk.

When you consider that in Goalies that have played more than 1200 minutes this year (20 games), Dubnyk is NINTH in save percentage. Meaning that there are only eight goaltenders with a better save percentage. Since 16 teams make it to the playoffs, your statement doesn't have a lot of basis in fact.

When you consider that Edmonton's Defence is fairly porous, that makes an excellent stat look even better. Dubnyk is "good enough" by most accounts.

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#53 Fred
April 16 2013, 03:38PM
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Robert Tychkowski – Edmonton Sun:

Steve Tambellini has been fired for his inability to clean up the mess left behind by Lowe, Craig MacTavish and Scott Howson, a task so daunting that owner Daryl Katz decided it can only be tackled by Lowe, MacTavish and Howson.

That about says it all.

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#54 DigDeepNBleedBlue
April 16 2013, 03:40PM
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Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 49m College UFA F Antoine Laganiere of Yale has agreed to terms with ANA.

SOB!

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#55 dave
April 16 2013, 03:44PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Sorry Quicksilver, but the sample size is too small to make that kind of a bold declaration about Khabibulin. However if you look at the last three years, you will see that Khabibulin isn't at the same level as Dubnyk.

When you consider that in Goalies that have played more than 1200 minutes this year (20 games), Dubnyk is NINTH in save percentage. Meaning that there are only eight goaltenders with a better save percentage. Since 16 teams make it to the playoffs, your statement doesn't have a lot of basis in fact.

When you consider that Edmonton's Defence is fairly porous, that makes an excellent stat look even better. Dubnyk is "good enough" by most accounts.

At some point the Oilers will have to move from a better than average goalie to a game stealing cup contender goalie.

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#56 Bucknuck
April 16 2013, 03:53PM
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Fred wrote:

Robert Tychkowski – Edmonton Sun:

Steve Tambellini has been fired for his inability to clean up the mess left behind by Lowe, Craig MacTavish and Scott Howson, a task so daunting that owner Daryl Katz decided it can only be tackled by Lowe, MacTavish and Howson.

That about says it all.

It says that Robert Tychkowski is talking out of his a$$ crack.

If you can't turn a team around in five years then you aren't doing your job. The "mess" being referred to was a team that had a winning record and barely missed the playoffs.

Since then the team has finished 21st, 30th, 30th, 29th, and this year they will be lucky to come out in the top 25.

Basically Tambellini traded away everyone except Horcoff, Gagner, Hemsky, Smid and Dubnyk (the 2008 team didn't have Smyth) and brought in his own players including "MVP" Khabibulin.

Tambellini had enough time to make this team better, he just didn't get it done.

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#57 Lochenzo
April 16 2013, 03:58PM
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As much as missing the playoffs sucks as a fan and for the development of Taylor Hall et al, the silver lining is that this is a very good draft year. The Oil should be be able to pick up a very high quality prospect in the top 10 and even have a shot at number one due to the new draft lottery rules and add to a prospect system that needs a boost. I cannot overstate the importance of not only depth on the 23 man roster but also depth in the system as well. The perennial contenders have all of these qualities.

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#58 GVBlackhawk
April 16 2013, 03:58PM
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French Toast Mafia wrote:

I really really dislike the idea that Klefbom comes over next year and gets a spot in the top 6.

The Oilers have a problem because they give spots to players instead of having them earn it or prove they are good enough. People get rose colored glasses pulled over their eyes when they see a player that can make the show straight out of camp without ever playing a game in the league. Unfortunately for the Oilers, these players make the team out of camp because they have so few "actual" NHL calibre players on there team.

Guys like Lander, Harti, Kelfbom, and Teubert shouldn't be called up to fill holes because management can't find NHL players to fill out the roster while they develop.

I think it is horrible management to assume a player like Kelfbom (who has never once played hockey in the NHL or AHL and has spent all of this season injured) will be able to come in a play top 6 D.

If he comes over in camp and beats out an ACTUAL NHL defenseman for that position then yes, he has proven he is good enough.

I completely agree with you. In fact, I think that Klefbom should play in OKC to start the season no matter how good he shows in training camp. Let him go down and play a lot of minutes for the Barons. If he plays well, he can be first call up for injuries. If he stumbles a bit, then there is less pressure on him. This development method has been proven to be WAY more successful than the Oilers preferred 'throw into the deep end' method of development.

Gregor is correct. -- the team needs to bring in 2 defensemen to push the current top 4 down the depth chart.

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#59 Walter Sobchak
April 16 2013, 04:01PM
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You trade Eberle you might as well trade Hall too. If Eberle goes Hall will be right behind him.

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#60 French Toast Mafia
April 16 2013, 04:03PM
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@Will

Why would you want to bring him in and play bottom six minutes in a shutdown roll as a rookie?

Why not send him to the AHL for a year where he can play 20-26 minutes a night and actually develop.

Not just throw him to the wolves and see if he will develop.... Lander, MPS, Tuebert anyone??

Just don't think it's right to just give guys spots on an NHL team because that NHL team is terrible.

Let them develop... see Keith and Seabrook. Rather than bring them in to the good old culture of losing that every good young player has moved into since this rebuild started

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#61 clyde
April 16 2013, 04:15PM
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Surprised that Hall doesn't have the Minny flu like last game.

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#62 GVBlackhawk
April 16 2013, 04:15PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

It's a significant cap hit. I agree. But, Weber is Cadilac good, dude!

Drop Whitney's 4mil cap hit and you add just under 4mil more. The defence is upgraded markedly. Cap hit for the D will be 20-23mil for next year. I think that's manageable.

Not sure the whole situation with Erat, but the rumours weren't positive. I do get they are only rumours. Sometimes there is truth there and you gotta wonder what else is going on. The team just looks like it's in disarray right now. Could be ripe for the picking.

Although Weber is good, I am still unsure about taking that contract on because it limits what can be done on offense.

Nashville is in need of offense and could be a good trade partner. My inclination would be to target someone like Roman Josi. He's a fantastic 23 year old Dman, who has good offensive numbers, can skate, eats a ton of minutes, and has been taking on the tough competition all season (playing with Weber).

His contract would be much more favorable, too. He would likely cost in the Gagner - Eberle range, but it would be well worth the price, imo.

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#63 jason
April 16 2013, 04:20PM
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Will wrote:

Do you know if has like a no move, no trade clause? If so I imagine some of the big name teams with loads of cap space would be his first option above the Oilers.

If it's up to the Predators, however, I don't know. I mean they went through a lot to keep a player that obviously didn't want to play there since he singed the offer sheet to Philly.

I kind of think Nashville knows that if Weber goes, so does their franchise. I think they, like us, are trying to add without subtracting.

Plus as great as Webber is, and I don't disagree with you he's one of the best, trading away high first round picks can be such a double edged sword, as in the case of the Kessel deal.

Let me ask you this, say we win the lottery and have a shot at Jones. Do you still make this deal or do you say F no and pick Jones. Because if that's the case, then you have to keep in mind Weber was drafted like 47th overall. And though he didn't make the show right away, when he did he quickly became one of the best. Maybe we have the next Weber in our system right now.

weber is a big contract on a small market team who's self imposed cap is close to the floor, nashville having missed the playoffs may decide it's time to dump his contract and reload. as for seth jones as good as this kid looks it's extraordinarily rare for any pick to be a force in their first year, especially a dman, he'll take several years of seasoning to perform at the level we think he will. now givin that by the time jones is ready the window on the kids we have may be closing. so assuming we win the lottery, then hell yes trade him for weber..

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#64 Let's Rebuild
April 16 2013, 04:24PM
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Not to interupt the innane trade chat but I wonder if Lander is being tried out as the Horcoff replacement, and if he looks compitent, they may use the buy out on Horcoff. The irony of MacT buying out Horcoff only 3 years after he said he might be a dark horse for the olympics would be epic.

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#65 sloppy joe
April 16 2013, 04:24PM
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DSF wrote:

Playing the " I won all these cups" card was actually much dumber.

I don't disagree...

My point was mainly that EVERYTHING he said was stupid - it's hard to pull out one thing and say it was the dumbest.

There's a lot that you post that I disagree with, but the management of this team is truly embarassing. I am beyond the point of being upset - I just find it comical at this point.

All in all, I think that MacT will be much better than Tambellini was. And if the organization had truly cleared house (as many of us would have liked), my bet is they would have hired Burke (who I wouldn't consider to be much of an upgrade).

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#66 Walter Sobchak
April 16 2013, 04:28PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Although Weber is good, I am still unsure about taking that contract on because it limits what can be done on offense.

Nashville is in need of offense and could be a good trade partner. My inclination would be to target someone like Roman Josi. He's a fantastic 23 year old Dman, who has good offensive numbers, can skate, eats a ton of minutes, and has been taking on the tough competition all season (playing with Weber).

His contract would be much more favorable, too. He would likely cost in the Gagner - Eberle range, but it would be well worth the price, imo.

This is why actually think Weber deal might be there, there is no way Nashville gives up Josi.

I think the Predators know that youth and rebuilding parts will be easier then paying Weber.

Oilers have the parts Nashville will want.

I also think a draft pick in 2014 is not as valued as 2013.

with the deletion of Hemsky - Gagner - Horcoff and Whitneys contract, Weber contract wont be that big of a hindrance.

IMO I think there is a deal here.

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#67 Todd
April 16 2013, 04:31PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

It says that Robert Tychkowski is talking out of his a$$ crack.

If you can't turn a team around in five years then you aren't doing your job. The "mess" being referred to was a team that had a winning record and barely missed the playoffs.

Since then the team has finished 21st, 30th, 30th, 29th, and this year they will be lucky to come out in the top 25.

Basically Tambellini traded away everyone except Horcoff, Gagner, Hemsky, Smid and Dubnyk (the 2008 team didn't have Smyth) and brought in his own players including "MVP" Khabibulin.

Tambellini had enough time to make this team better, he just didn't get it done.

Completely agree with u Bucknuck....

But all this banter is pointless. As MacT so succinctly stated, talk is easy and its time to prove it with action. People who say Lowe is all to blame and Tambo was a pawn have zero evidence just like people arguing the flip side.

We should just postpone any analysis of Tambo, Lowe and MacT until at least Christmas. Time will tell.

Personally I have faith MacT will be what we needed, but it really doesn't matter.

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#68 Todd
April 16 2013, 04:33PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

This is why actually think Weber deal might be there, there is no way Nashville gives up Josi.

I think the Predators know that youth and rebuilding parts will be easier then paying Weber.

Oilers have the parts Nashville will want.

I also think a draft pick in 2014 is not as valued as 2013.

with the deletion of Hemsky - Gagner - Horcoff and Whitneys contract, Weber contract wont be that big of a hindrance.

IMO I think there is a deal here.

The problem is he isn't available for trade until the end of July.... Sort of limits the options and would be extremely risky for the Oilers to hang next season on something like that. By then any potential draft & UFA moves would be done. So if they bank on that and then it doesn't pan out we'll have the same team as this year.

Unless they make some sort of secret agreement in principal ahead of time but not sure how realistic that is.

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#69 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 16 2013, 04:34PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Players are always worried about being moved. It can be very disruptive, especially if you have kids in school.

I sense they know there will be changes, but most want to be here.

Eberle would get you the most, but I'm not sure they'd trade him. I suspect 83,89 and 91 will garner interest from teams that need scoring and have a blueliner to exchange.

If I'm the Coach and/or GM, EVERY player on the team is now playing for his job next year. MacT said it, he's impatient and moves will be made. I say, make the most of that threat/statement....put a little fear into every one of them...

Make the last 7 games a playoff series..tonight is game one....show me what you've got....otherwise...pack you bags.

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#70 Will
April 16 2013, 04:36PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Coming into the NHL as a shutdown D-man is "easier" ?

I'm speechless.

So you don't agree it's easier to defend a smaller ice surface than a larger one? I think in the case of a shut down defender transitioning from European ice to North American, the change in ice size works to this particular positions advantage, whereas a skilled forward the smaller ice would work as a disadvantage as there's less space to work with.

I am definitely not saying that a shut down defender is the easier role in the NHL, just that the smaller ice surface would favour a guy with a defensive skill set over a guy with an offensive skill set.

Am I way out to lunch here or?

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#71 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 16 2013, 04:37PM
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Let's Rebuild wrote:

Not to interupt the innane trade chat but I wonder if Lander is being tried out as the Horcoff replacement, and if he looks compitent, they may use the buy out on Horcoff. The irony of MacT buying out Horcoff only 3 years after he said he might be a dark horse for the olympics would be epic.

Why would you pay Horcoff not to play??

He would be the best third line center in the league....Horcoff is not the problem....

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#72 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 16 2013, 04:41PM
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dave wrote:

At some point the Oilers will have to move from a better than average goalie to a game stealing cup contender goalie.

The problem there is....you never know who that guy is/or will be.....our last 2 times in the show...it was Roloson and before that Ranford......neither guy was that highly touted...in fact they both resembled a guy named......................................................Devan Dubnyk.......

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#73 Walter Sobchak
April 16 2013, 04:43PM
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Todd wrote:

The problem is he isn't available for trade until the end of July.... Sort of limits the options and would be extremely risky for the Oilers to hang next season on something like that. By then any potential draft & UFA moves would be done. So if they bank on that and then it doesn't pan out we'll have the same team as this year.

Unless they make some sort of secret agreement in principal ahead of time but not sure how realistic that is.

Good points Todd, However, I don't think that's a pressing issue,( UFA's) not a lot out there right now.

I have thought about some compliance buyouts, but I don't think there will be much in the way of what the Oiler's actually need or want.

I think the trade front is where the Oiler's need to be focused on.

unless they find a will trading partner for a number one defensmen I don't see one out there that's young, has size, is tough and can be match with a player like Schultz.

Concentrate on the top six and bottom six until Weber is free to be dealt then go aggressively after him.

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#74 DigDeepNBleedBlue
April 16 2013, 04:43PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Although Weber is good, I am still unsure about taking that contract on because it limits what can be done on offense.

Nashville is in need of offense and could be a good trade partner. My inclination would be to target someone like Roman Josi. He's a fantastic 23 year old Dman, who has good offensive numbers, can skate, eats a ton of minutes, and has been taking on the tough competition all season (playing with Weber).

His contract would be much more favorable, too. He would likely cost in the Gagner - Eberle range, but it would be well worth the price, imo.

All valid points.

My main argument: Weber has a mean streak. An element that is truly needed on the backend.

Needed up front too, but I digress.

As for the Cap hit. If Pitts can have two guys at 8.7mil I would assume that two or three Oilers at 6mil and one D-man at 7.9mil (basically) should be doable.

His shot would change the PP, you're right, but throw him on the 2nd unit. Get two crazy cats to screen the goalie. Win! lol

I don't think he would change the dynamics offensively 5x5. He would definitely make the team harder to play against. JMO, though.

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#75 Will
April 16 2013, 04:46PM
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French Toast Mafia wrote:

Why would you want to bring him in and play bottom six minutes in a shutdown roll as a rookie?

Why not send him to the AHL for a year where he can play 20-26 minutes a night and actually develop.

Not just throw him to the wolves and see if he will develop.... Lander, MPS, Tuebert anyone??

Just don't think it's right to just give guys spots on an NHL team because that NHL team is terrible.

Let them develop... see Keith and Seabrook. Rather than bring them in to the good old culture of losing that every good young player has moved into since this rebuild started

I think proper development is very player dependant. I think if Klefbomb can be defensively responsible on a bottom pairing with a veteran guy that can help him out, then playing against NHL competition as opposed to AHL competition could be the way to go. That way, the Oilers can watch and see if he begins exceeding expectations and can handle a bigger role, thus improving out team right now.

If however, he needs some time to adjust to the NHL and north american game, then absolutely put him down in OKC.

I agree that out of necessity many of our players's developments have been poorly handled. But as smarter NHl people than I are fond of saying, a player's development is not a straight line. I think there is a real benefit for Klefbomb, like Ebs and Nuge last year, to get a sheltered taste of NHL level competition and let him try and move up from there. I would say some players are probably even hurt development wise by being sent down to play with people who are not of their skill level.

Have you ever done a sport where you were so much worse then your friends, and as a result got better fast. But then eventually became the one that was better then your other friends and noticed your improvement slowed? Sometimes that sink or swim can really spur rapid development.

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#76 106 and 106
April 16 2013, 04:47PM
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The ON nation keeps saying "Weber, Weber, Weber."

This isn't NHL 2008.

A top D-man doesn't show up for "Omark, 3rd rounder and Smyth, Belanger, Eager, Petrell, Hordichuk, Souray's contract, signed Ethan Moreau jersey"

Edit: Nashville: Okay, you want him. Your 1st, 2nd, Hemsky, Hall. Deal.

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#77 Walter Sobchak
April 16 2013, 04:49PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

All valid points.

My main argument: Weber has a mean streak. An element that is truly needed on the backend.

Needed up front too, but I digress.

As for the Cap hit. If Pitts can have two guys at 8.7mil I would assume that two or three Oilers at 6mil and one D-man at 7.9mil (basically) should be doable.

His shot would change the PP, you're right, but throw him on the 2nd unit. Get two crazy cats to screen the goalie. Win! lol

I don't think he would change the dynamics offensively 5x5. He would definitely make the team harder to play against. JMO, though.

Not to jump in your guys conversation but I have to agree with this statement.

Weber has that meanness the Oiler's desperately need.

Not to mention his slap-shot on the PP will open so many holes, those boys will feed on other teams.

This is the type of player the Oiler's IMO need.

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#78 Walter Sobchak
April 16 2013, 04:58PM
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106 and 106 wrote:

The ON nation keeps saying "Weber, Weber, Weber."

This isn't NHL 2008.

A top D-man doesn't show up for "Omark, 3rd rounder and Smyth, Belanger, Eager, Petrell, Hordichuk, Souray's contract, signed Ethan Moreau jersey"

Edit: Nashville: Okay, you want him. Your 1st, 2nd, Hemsky, Hall. Deal.

Really, why don't you tell us who these players were dealt for.

Pronger - Phaneuf - Chara - Blake - Bourque - MacInnis - McCabe - Bouwmeester

Edit: Your trade is a gross overpayment!

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#79 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 16 2013, 05:07PM
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WOW trade for me would be .

Jordan Eberle for Adam Larsson.

Makes some sense to both sides.

WOW trade for me would be.

Steve Tambellini for Craig MacTavish.

Then MacTavish wins the Lottery and drafts Seth Jones.

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#80 DigDeepNBleedBlue
April 16 2013, 05:12PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Not to jump in your guys conversation but I have to agree with this statement.

Weber has that meanness the Oiler's desperately need.

Not to mention his slap-shot on the PP will open so many holes, those boys will feed on other teams.

This is the type of player the Oiler's IMO need.

Jump in, dude! It's all good.

I'm not sure the Oil can get this cat, but it would be the ideal pickup. From my perspective, anyhoo.

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#81 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 16 2013, 05:14PM
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French Toast Mafia wrote:

Why would you want to bring him in and play bottom six minutes in a shutdown roll as a rookie?

Why not send him to the AHL for a year where he can play 20-26 minutes a night and actually develop.

Not just throw him to the wolves and see if he will develop.... Lander, MPS, Tuebert anyone??

Just don't think it's right to just give guys spots on an NHL team because that NHL team is terrible.

Let them develop... see Keith and Seabrook. Rather than bring them in to the good old culture of losing that every good young player has moved into since this rebuild started

Nothing wrong with some time in the AHL....but keep in mind that Klefbom has now played 2 seasons in the Swedish Elite league....so while he could certainly use some north amercian style AHL type development time, it probably won't take much as he's being playing with men for some time now....well.....swedish men.....(that counts...right??)

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#82 DigDeepNBleedBlue
April 16 2013, 05:16PM
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106 and 106 wrote:

The ON nation keeps saying "Weber, Weber, Weber."

This isn't NHL 2008.

A top D-man doesn't show up for "Omark, 3rd rounder and Smyth, Belanger, Eager, Petrell, Hordichuk, Souray's contract, signed Ethan Moreau jersey"

Edit: Nashville: Okay, you want him. Your 1st, 2nd, Hemsky, Hall. Deal.

I agree with Walter, this is an overpayment.

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#83 DoubleJ
April 16 2013, 05:18PM
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Yandle is the guy IMO. Big minute dman 5 mil/ per. LD. He's perfect. And it wouldn't cost us Ederle.

Coyotes have too much money tied up in D. And no skill. It's a perfect fit.

I'd take 3 or 4 of the d off of the coyotes really. But OEL isn't going anywhere. And Yandle is the next best thing.

On forwards you could pick up Bickel and trade for hartnell. That would be a great start.

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#84 DigDeepNBleedBlue
April 16 2013, 05:21PM
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Hall is a non starter in any trade scenario. IMO.

I'm sure there are 55 teams that would want Hall.

Nash has needed offensive players since its inception. Eberle would provide that for them. Plus a first this year and maybe a middling prospect and it could work.

Nash would have two low draft picks this draft, plus Eberle. A quick retool.

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#85 DigDeepNBleedBlue
April 16 2013, 05:23PM
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DoubleJ wrote:

Yandle is the guy IMO. Big minute dman 5 mil/ per. LD. He's perfect. And it wouldn't cost us Ederle.

Coyotes have too much money tied up in D. And no skill. It's a perfect fit.

I'd take 3 or 4 of the d off of the coyotes really. But OEL isn't going anywhere. And Yandle is the next best thing.

On forwards you could pick up Bickel and trade for hartnell. That would be a great start.

I still think you're gonna have to include Eberle. JMO.

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#86 DoubleJ
April 16 2013, 05:27PM
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What would have Nashville got if they didn't qualify the offer? Idon't that's why I'm asking.

That's what they will want at least in return for weber.

There's good to great dman available. You don't need to get weber.

Like "Yandle".

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#87 DoubleJ
April 16 2013, 05:32PM
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I still think you're gonna have to include Eberle. JMO.

I doubt it. They not going to give him away. But probably picks and a player gets him. Plus I doubt they want a 6 million dollar guy. This would a salary dump a little.

A signed Gagner and a pick. IMO.

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#88 jason
April 16 2013, 05:36PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

Hall is a non starter in any trade scenario. IMO.

I'm sure there are 55 teams that would want Hall.

Nash has needed offensive players since its inception. Eberle would provide that for them. Plus a first this year and maybe a middling prospect and it could work.

Nash would have two low draft picks this draft, plus Eberle. A quick retool.

look we don't need to incude eberle, rnh, hall or yaks, how about this year and next years first round picks and gagner and omark. eventualy the future has to become the present, and unlike burke who made a similar trade for kessel our team is ready to mortgage some of the future to fill a big hole.

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#89 DigDeepNBleedBlue
April 16 2013, 05:38PM
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What would have Nashville got if they didn't qualify the offer? Idon't that's why I'm asking.

That's what they will want at least in return for weber.

There's good to great dman available. You don't need to get weber.

Like "Yandle".

Philly's 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th I believe.

I think it's safe to assume that Philly would have finished a lot better this year with Weber in the lineup. That's why Nash didn't take it, I imagine.

Things in Nash look, I'm guessing here, like they are in a little turmoil. Maybe Weber wants out. Who knows.

Would Yandle be a good pickup for the D-core? Almost anyone would be a good pickup if you consider the state of the Oil's D right now.

Dream big! Settle low.

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#90 DigDeepNBleedBlue
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I doubt it. They not going to give him away. But probably picks and a player gets him. Plus I doubt they want a 6 million dollar guy. This would a salary dump a little.

A signed Gagner and a pick. IMO.

If it were that easy it would already be done.

I do agree this years first will hold some weight.

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#91 Quicksilver ballet
April 16 2013, 05:42PM
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Another kid the Oilers may want to have a look at, is Erik Gudbranson. Shea Weber jr? Taken 3rd overall 3 yrs ago. Might be able to get him without involving one of the kids. Gagner and the first in 2014.

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#92 DigDeepNBleedBlue
April 16 2013, 05:42PM
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look we don't need to incude eberle, rnh, hall or yaks, how about this year and next years first round picks and gagner and omark. eventualy the future has to become the present, and unlike burke who made a similar trade for kessel our team is ready to mortgage some of the future to fill a big hole.

A little different then Burke and his Kessel trade. D-men, good D-men, are a high commodity.

I wish that would get him, but realistically I doubt it. Gotta give to get.

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I'd love to see Weber here but honestly I'd totally be happy if we can sign Streit and Regehr. A couple of veterans that can take pressure off and help guide our young D.

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#94 @Oilanderp
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PLEASE please please shut up about Weber. PLEASE. He's not Hockey Jesus, and he's not coming here. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you.

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#95 michael
April 16 2013, 05:58PM
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Adam Larsson for Eberle. A 70 point 30 goal player for a guy who has played like 100 games and score 3 goals. Are you on the same koolaid as DSF?

Adam Larsson "might" be a #4 dman is a couple of years. Klefbom was rated higher than him on some lists in his draft year.Craig Button thinks Klefbom has the potential to be a #2 and that Larsson's ceiling "might" be as a #4.

If your trading Eberle for Adam Larsson you better be getting NJ first round pick this year also.

As far as MacTs we'll be bold statement.I would think that we'll be bold when all the compliance buyouts and UFA's start becoming available. With the cap going down there will be a bunch of dmen available. Like Vancouver. Target a guy like Bieksa or Edler. Or in Philly. Target a guy like Shenn.

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#96 DigDeepNBleedBlue
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@Oilanderp wrote:

PLEASE please please shut up about Weber. PLEASE. He's not Hockey Jesus, and he's not coming here. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you.

Got your panties in a bunch there big guy?

But, you're right, you provide a very knowledgeable and articulate argument.

WTF?! lol

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#97 Kypreos
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I am sick of all the Kevin Lowe bashing. He done everything for this team. He has brought us 3 first round picks.

You need to lay off.

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#98 @Oilanderp
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@DigDeepNBleedBlue

I will chaulk your comment up to being due to just receving the shocking news. Since we are on the topic I suppose I should tell you that the sun will come up tomorrow, Elvis is dead, and life's current forms were arrived at via mutation, reproduction, and competition. Again, sorry.

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#99 Czar
April 16 2013, 06:26PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

The problem there is....you never know who that guy is/or will be.....our last 2 times in the show...it was Roloson and before that Ranford......neither guy was that highly touted...in fact they both resembled a guy named......................................................Devan Dubnyk.......

If only Dubnyk had their reflexes...different styles... but I get your point.

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#100 Walter Sobchak
April 16 2013, 06:46PM
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The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33 wrote:

I'd love to see Weber here but honestly I'd totally be happy if we can sign Streit and Regehr. A couple of veterans that can take pressure off and help guide our young D.

Striet is going to 38 or something like that and Regehr is well past due date.

Sign them and will be talking about two more defensmen in two years, this does nothing to push the team forward.

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