NUGENT-HOPKINS NEEDS SURGERY

Jason Gregor
April 21 2013 11:25AM

Ryan Nugent-Hopkin's season is over. He will have shoulder surgery, as early as this Tuesday in Cleveland.

He has a suspected labrum tear in his left shoulder. Last year they fixed his AC joint on the same shoulder, but now he will need the same surgery Taylor Hall had last year.

Hall's season ended on March 27th last year, he had surgery on April 3rd, and he played his first game in OKC on November 2nd, 2012.

Nugent-Hopkins might have surgery as early as this Tuesday, April 23rd, but that means he likely won't play until mid-November. Due to the lockout the Oilers didn't have to rush Hall back, and the Oilers will need to fight the urge to get RNH back on the ice next season.

Just like Hall, Nugent-Hopkin's injury dates back to junior. Hall told me last fall that the surgery process is painful, but that he felt much better, he also said he was glad he didn't have to rush back due to the lockout. The Oilers must play it safe with RNH in October and give him significant time to heal.

It is fair to ask why RNH didn't have this surgery a month ago because it was clear from the start of the season that he's been struggling. I wasn't at the morning skate so I couldn't ask him, but it is something I will ask tomorrow. I suspect the answer will be that they were the hunt for the playoffs and the doctors said he couldn't injure it any worse than it was. 

There is no chance Nugent-Hopkins will be ready for the season opener, and that means the Oilers will be without their #1 centre. I understand the Oilers wanted to compete for the playoffs this year, but I think they should have sent Nugent-Hopkins to the surgeon much sooner.

 

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#51 John s
April 21 2013, 12:42PM
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When did they know he needed surgery? Perhaps the Doc said he can't hurt it more if he continues to play. But why has he been playing lately?

Edmonton knew they were not making the playoffs, and they know generally the recovery time for this type of surgery. Why today?

Sounds like negligence.

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#52 Dub t
April 21 2013, 12:46PM
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no way he should be playing on the first line. if his shoulder was hurt in junior why would they not fix it then? Dont you think playing in a bigger,faster leaque might just improve your chances just a tiny little bit of re hurting your shoulder?

Only a competent management group would figure that out. We don't have that luxury here in the "city of champions"

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#53 Dub t
April 21 2013, 12:50PM
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Anybody know what Shawn Mattias would cost out of Florida?

Trade for him, TRY and sign clarkson or Horton

Draft Monahan. Leave him in junior.

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#54 Rama Lama
April 21 2013, 12:54PM
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This esentially means that RNH will have no summer to workout for the upcoming year. Since the timing of this is very similar to Hall, we could expect RNH returning after December..........Brutal!

This has LOwe's hands all over this , no way Mr. Dithers could make a decision like this on his own.

Maybe we can draft a center at this years draft and rush him into the line-up again? THis organization needs to be ery agressive at the trade table on draft day and secure some help at center............failure to do so and do so ASAP will result in yet another lost season.

Mac T .........let's see how good you are?

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#55 Mikey
April 21 2013, 12:56PM
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Hall has said that he doesn't want to play C. He is willing to try it but doesn't want to do it.

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#56 Wax Man Riley
April 21 2013, 12:58PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

I think 6 yrs out of the playoffs and 3 years of down right brutal hockey goes beyond Gagner, its not all on him.

Well of course Horcoff too.

Everybody know EVERYTHING is Horcoff's fault

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#57 Smokey
April 21 2013, 12:58PM
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Shameful. He should of had his shoulder repaired when it first was determined their was a problem. No one would had issues with tanking the season to ensure his long term health. I'm disgusted and dismayed by this inept useless regime. Now we start next season without our number one center, are we in for another long year.

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#58 Wax Man Riley
April 21 2013, 01:00PM
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Mikey wrote:

Hall has said that he doesn't want to play C. He is willing to try it but doesn't want to do it.

No, he said that he didn't feel comfortable doing it in a shortened season coming off of injury.

He would rather have a full training camp and pre-season to feel more comfortable there.

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#59 Johnny
April 21 2013, 01:06PM
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UNBELIEVABLE....

Is there anybody on the planet that did not know he needed this surgery last year?????

By his comments, it seems pretty damning.

To waste a lockout shortened season is absolutely ASININE!

Whoever is responsible for the decision not have surgery last year needs to be so far away from this hickey team they may as well be in Indo F*cking China!

What clowns...this team top to bottom is a laughing stock and a disgrace.

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#60 Smokey
April 21 2013, 01:07PM
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why not put Hall at center for the remaining five games? What's there to lose? I know he wants the whole pre season to get accustomed to that position but what exactly are the remaining games for the oilers to the oilers? Pre-Season to next years pre season, perfect time to put Hall between Yakupov/Eberle and Paajarvi or somethin.

Hall is turning into a superstar. Leave him the hell alone. Let him fly the zone, be the offensive nightmare that teams fear. He's the only thing on this team that seems to work. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

A astute GM should be able to address the problem in the off sesson I've got faith in him whether I agree with the hire.

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#61 morgie99
April 21 2013, 01:15PM
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Johnny wrote:

UNBELIEVABLE....

Is there anybody on the planet that did not know he needed this surgery last year?????

By his comments, it seems pretty damning.

To waste a lockout shortened season is absolutely ASININE!

Whoever is responsible for the decision not have surgery last year needs to be so far away from this hickey team they may as well be in Indo F*cking China!

What clowns...this team top to bottom is a laughing stock and a disgrace.

hard to argue that, and with no workout time, he'll be just as skinny as this year

why is Klowe still employed?

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#62 Spydyr
April 21 2013, 01:16PM
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Lowe was just waiting to sign Miller. Now Nuge is good to go for surgery.

Hint:Sarcasm

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#63 Alsker
April 21 2013, 01:18PM
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So, two out of our three 1st overalls have injuries dating back to junior, and no one in the organization caught either injury, is it coincidence or incompetence? Seriously I cant tell you if the problem(same injury no less)is detectable or not BUT isnt that why we have the proper people in place to see to it this doesnt happen. Another black mark on a already tarnished organization, this tier 2 fan is most embarrassed, just epic.

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#64 Smokey
April 21 2013, 01:20PM
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I wanted to finish off the season strong, but after this gut wrenching news, I hope we finish off say 1-4 and secure a top five selection to take Barkov, or even Monahan. Maybe MacT could win the draft lottery nd we could move to 3-4 and take McKinnon. However the hockey gods gotta be saying you dumasses have won 3 times, and got lucky with Eberle, and Klefbom, and restocked the cupboards with multiple decent assets,and you still can't figure out how to build a team around elite talent. This year the gods may screw us.

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#65 OilersBrass
April 21 2013, 01:22PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

This esentially means that RNH will have no summer to workout for the upcoming year. Since the timing of this is very similar to Hall, we could expect RNH returning after December..........Brutal!

This has LOwe's hands all over this , no way Mr. Dithers could make a decision like this on his own.

Maybe we can draft a center at this years draft and rush him into the line-up again? THis organization needs to be ery agressive at the trade table on draft day and secure some help at center............failure to do so and do so ASAP will result in yet another lost season.

Mac T .........let's see how good you are?

RNH can still work on conditioning and do certain workouts while rehabbing. Just because he is getting surgery it doesn't mean he has to sit around all summer doing nothing. Rehab for the injury also includes building strength back in his shoulder. I think he'll be fine when he plays next, possibly even stronger.

I do agree on how they're screwed with their depth at centre though. Something will need to be done with that now.

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#66 Smokey
April 21 2013, 01:25PM
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So, two out of our three 1st overalls have injuries dating back to junior, and no one in the organization caught either injury, is it coincidence or incompetence? Seriously I cant tell you if the problem(same injury no less)is detectable or not BUT isnt that why we have the proper people in place to see to it this doesnt happen. Another black mark on a already tarnished organization, this tier 2 fan is most embarrassed, just epic.

Are you saying we should of taken Seguin or Landeskog. Hall is fine now, and a superstar. Give RNH time to heal, he will be fine. I think the picks were fine, the handling of them was not.

Seguins supposedly got a degenerative hip problem which may cause problems one day, and Landeskog sustained some injuries and a concussion.

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#67 Mikey
April 21 2013, 01:30PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

No, he said that he didn't feel comfortable doing it in a shortened season coming off of injury.

He would rather have a full training camp and pre-season to feel more comfortable there.

He said that in September. Last month or so he said he didn't want to play it. I think it was in a Gregor interview. Rough quote

"I know there has been a lot of talk about me playing centre. I don't think it would work out. I think I am better at carrying the puck threw the neutral zone and using my speed to beat the defense. Some of that will be lost if I play centre."

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#68 The Soup Fascist
April 21 2013, 01:42PM
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Eddie Edmonton wrote:

Get rid of Gagner. Ever since this team decided to invest in him, it has resulted into nothing but losing seasons.

So who are you acquiring to play centre? Lets just pencil Horc in at #1, Smithson looks like #2 ...... What me worry?

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#69 Dub t
April 21 2013, 01:45PM
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How would oiler fans (all tiers) feel about trading eberle for seguin? Boston gets more of a natural winger and edmonton gets another centre. Wasn't its rumoured eberle for the Boston pick or was it Columbus? Either way, we would have both hall and seguin now.

Personally, I'd do it in a heart beat. Not because of his down year, I would've last year too. I'm an eberle fan but I think this helps us.

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#70 Gaz
April 21 2013, 01:56PM
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@DSF

You're not a fan. You've stated that in the past.

What do you know? Try not to lob 'em up for everyone quite so easily!

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#71 Alsker
April 21 2013, 02:01PM
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@Smokey

No i didnt say we shouldnt have taken either of them, however if it would have been better for both of them to have it done sooner than later, why wasnt it?? How many physicals did they go thru before it was found, OR how many times did mgt turn a blind eye to it? This is more my issue than if they were the correct picks.

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#72 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:08PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

This esentially means that RNH will have no summer to workout for the upcoming year. Since the timing of this is very similar to Hall, we could expect RNH returning after December..........Brutal!

This has LOwe's hands all over this , no way Mr. Dithers could make a decision like this on his own.

Maybe we can draft a center at this years draft and rush him into the line-up again? THis organization needs to be ery agressive at the trade table on draft day and secure some help at center............failure to do so and do so ASAP will result in yet another lost season.

Mac T .........let's see how good you are?

Enough Lowe bashing already. LOWE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS AND OILERS FANS HAVE TO STOP LOOKING FOR EXCUSES TO BASH LOWE. TAMBELLINI IS NOT LOWE'S PUPPET. THIS IS ALL ON TAMBELLINI.

I'm getting fed up of fans giving Tambellini a free ride and blaming it all on Lowe. This is on Tambellini as it takes him too long to assess.

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#73 messyEH!
April 21 2013, 02:11PM
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The more time that passes, the more I get pissed about Klowes mishandling of Souray. Its hard not to when Souray is one of the top defensemen in the league this year. Yeah he sure was worth that buyout.

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#74 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:11PM
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@morgie99

STOP BLAMING LOWE. THIS IS NOT LOWE'S FAULT. THIS IS TAMBELLINI'S FAULT. I'M GETTING FED UP WITH LOWE GETTING BLAMED AND TAMBELLINI GETTING A FREE RIDE. THIS IS TABELLINI'S FAULT AS IT TAKES HIM TOO LONG TO ASSESS. STOP THE LOWE BASHING. NO WONDER PLAYERS DON'T SIGN IN EDMONTON. THEY'LL GET BASHED AND RUN OUT OF TOWN BY SO-CALLED OILERS FANS.

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#75 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:13PM
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@Alsker

And Oilers fans always find excuses to bash the Oilers because Slats is no longer the GM. Don't you think this also happened when Slats was here. I recall him forcing players to play to injury but no bashed Slats because Slats could do no wrong.

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#76 Oilersman
April 21 2013, 02:14PM
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Yes we all have opinions... some interesting and some very speculating. Hey I like the one where the poster has determined that our downfall is Gagner. Wow. Wonder if the Hawks would be out of a playoff spot right now if Gags was there all year? Interesting.

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#77 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:15PM
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@Smokey

And once again Oilers fans prove why no one wants to sign in Edmonton. They care more about draft picks than wins. I'm getting fed up of Oilers fans cheering losses to get a good draft pick. There's a reason players don't sign in Edmonton and the reason is the fans.

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#78 The Soup Fascist
April 21 2013, 02:15PM
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WOULD YOU PEOPLE STOP BASHING THE WORD BASH! It is the best four letter / one syllable word in the dictionary. No wonder it doesn't want to be in your sentences. You keep bashing the word BASH, but what happens when you really want to bash someone. Then what? Huh?

You people call yourself fans but then try to run the word BASH out of the dictionary.

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#79 Hammers
April 21 2013, 02:15PM
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So tonights 1st line is Gags , Hall & Yak ;2nd is Horc Ebs & Magnus ; 3rd Lander , Hartski & Jones ; 4th Smithson Brown & (Pettrell Hemsky injured) so ??????????? Oh well Krueger try a 5-6 pick no hope for 21st place .

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#80 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:16PM
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@OilersBrass

But Oilers fans want the Oilers to trade Gagner for magic beans and buy out Horcoff and Belanger.

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#81 Harlie
April 21 2013, 02:18PM
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@Mikey

I heard Hall's quote and it was as Waxman described it, not your version. He was open to trying C but wanted it from training camp on or not at all so he'd have time to adjust.

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#82 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:19PM
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@Smokey

Oilers are still getting bashed for drafting Hall instead of Seguin. They got bashed big time when Seguin got his first goal prior to Hall.

Oilers are still getting bashed for drafting RNH over Landeskog/Larsson. They say Landeskog was the better player and RNH should be sent back to junior to save $.

Oilers are still getting bashed for drafting Yakupov ahead of Murray/Galchenyuk. They say they need defesnse and not a forward.

The bashing goes on and on because Slats is no longer the GM.

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#83 messyEH!
April 21 2013, 02:20PM
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Players don't sign in Edmonton because Kevin Lowe is an arrogant POS. They see things like this and the way Lowe handled Souray and they woukd cringe.

As for your belief that Kevin Lowe is not to blame . I strongly disagree. Lowe stated that Tambellini ran everthing by him. This was in an article here in the summer. Besides who hired Tambellini in the 1st place and then extended him last season.

The problem starts with lowe, and ends with Katz's fan boy attitude towards thus organization.

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#84 Serious Gord
April 21 2013, 02:21PM
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Bizarre timing. Did they keep him in the lineup to see if they could get into the playoffs? And once they didn't did they wait a few games after Tambo was removed before taking rnh out?

Did they know he was Going to need surgery in December? Last year? When they drafted him. Some pretty strong arguments at all three points in time to get the surgery done then - especially if it was last year prior to his injury of the same shoulder.

Clearly they handled this in much the same way as they did halls surgery.

Both demonstrate dithering and putting the interests of management ahead of the player. And what kind of message does that send to other players/agents who we would like to attract to the oil?

And is eberle hurt too?

Christ it's hard to see the merits of this ownership and management.

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#85 Dub t
April 21 2013, 02:21PM
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Jasmine wrote:

But Oilers fans want the Oilers to trade Gagner for magic beans and buy out Horcoff and Belanger.

Didn't the magic beans grow into tall and large bean stalks? Sounds like what we could use as our second line centre

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#86 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:23PM
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messyEH! wrote:

The more time that passes, the more I get pissed about Klowes mishandling of Souray. Its hard not to when Souray is one of the top defensemen in the league this year. Yeah he sure was worth that buyout.

THIS IS NOT ON LOWE. THIS IS ON TAMBELLINI. FANS HAVE TO STOP BLAMING LOWE AND GIVING TAMBELLINI A FREE RIDE. SOURAY DIDN'T COMPLAIN WHEN LOWE WAS GM. THIS HAPPENED WITH TAMBELLINI AS GM.

OILERS FANS NEED TO STOP BLAMING LOWE AND SAYING TAMBELLINI IS LOWE'S PUPPET. THIS IS ALL ON TAMBELLINI.

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#87 Dub t
April 21 2013, 02:23PM
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messyEH! wrote:

Players don't sign in Edmonton because Kevin Lowe is an arrogant POS. They see things like this and the way Lowe handled Souray and they woukd cringe.

As for your belief that Kevin Lowe is not to blame . I strongly disagree. Lowe stated that Tambellini ran everthing by him. This was in an article here in the summer. Besides who hired Tambellini in the 1st place and then extended him last season.

The problem starts with lowe, and ends with Katz's fan boy attitude towards thus organization.

This.

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#88 OilersBrass
April 21 2013, 02:27PM
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Jasmine wrote:

But Oilers fans want the Oilers to trade Gagner for magic beans and buy out Horcoff and Belanger.

It's a forum, everyone is entitled to voice their own opinion. Just because they say ludicrous and ridiculous things sometimes, it doesn't mean they will happen.

If you don't like what people say then don't read the comments. I get frustrated sometimes when people tell me i'm dumb for the things I say, but a lot of the time I say something will happen and it actually happens.

I still haven't figured out if you're serious about these things, or if you're just trolling trying to get a rouse out of everyone.

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#89 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:28PM
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@messyEH!

You're an idiot. Players don't sign in Edmonton because so-called Oilers fans bash the Oilers every chance they get and run players out of town.

They also don't sign in Edmonton because Pronger accuses Oilers fans of burning his baby's crib. Until Oilers get fans that stop bashing everything Lowe does because Slats left, players won't sign in Edmonton. Ask Ray Whitney. He said he didn't sign in Edmonton because of the fans.

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#90 messyEH!
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@Jasmine

Tambellini was made GM when the team already sucked because of KLowes whale hunting and poor draft record. Type in caps all you want your just bring the discussion to a LOWE level.

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#91 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:33PM
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@OilersBrass

Just frustrated that the Oilers have been bashed since the day Slats left. People wanted Lowe fired the day he was hired. They wanted him fired after every trade he made.

Fans are also the reason Lowe resigned and Tambi became GM. It wouldn't have mattered who became GM after slats as that person would have been criticized for everything he did.

Slats could do no wrong and whoever became GM after Slats would have been criticized for everything he did. Heck Oilers got criticized for signing Miller.

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#92 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:34PM
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messyEH! wrote:

Tambellini was made GM when the team already sucked because of KLowes whale hunting and poor draft record. Type in caps all you want your just bring the discussion to a LOWE level.

This is getting ridiculous. The Oilers' draft record improved after wonder boy Slats left. Slats thought they didn't need to draft well during the SC runs so he drafted crap.

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#93 Eddie Edmonton
April 21 2013, 02:39PM
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Only if Kevin Lowe would have forced Gagner to a magic bean diet in his 1st year.

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#94 Smokey
April 21 2013, 02:41PM
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Jasmine wrote:

And once again Oilers fans prove why no one wants to sign in Edmonton. They care more about draft picks than wins. I'm getting fed up of Oilers fans cheering losses to get a good draft pick. There's a reason players don't sign in Edmonton and the reason is the fans.

Amazing how you concentrate on one part of the comment and not the other. How bout you re-read it, and mull it over for 10 seconds.

I said I wanted the team to win until this latest news, I'd rather we tank now because we need some immediate help at that position come next year cause we are not seeing a healthy Nuge till December. Comprehendy? Building momentum n continuity going into next season would be the desired at to finish this season, but this teams deflated like an air balloon with the Lowe boondoggle, the skid, and now this. Its not getting any lower around these parts.

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#95 OilersBrass
April 21 2013, 02:43PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Just frustrated that the Oilers have been bashed since the day Slats left. People wanted Lowe fired the day he was hired. They wanted him fired after every trade he made.

Fans are also the reason Lowe resigned and Tambi became GM. It wouldn't have mattered who became GM after slats as that person would have been criticized for everything he did.

Slats could do no wrong and whoever became GM after Slats would have been criticized for everything he did. Heck Oilers got criticized for signing Miller.

Let people criticize. Once all the pieces (prospects) of this team mature and fall into place no one will say anything. Expect another 2 years of this kind of stuff, a rebuild is frustrating for everyone, and clearly all fans are extremely frustrated.

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#96 morgie99
April 21 2013, 02:43PM
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Woodguy wrote:

There is no chance Nugent-Hopkins will be ready for the season opener, and that means the Oilers will be without their #1 centre. I understand the Oilers wanted to compete for the playoffs this year, but I think they should have sent Nugent-Hopkins to the surgeon much sooner.

Another bad decision on a long list of bad decisions by the Edmonton Oilers.

Ol' 6 rings is a winner though, don't question his hockey acumen.

I hope after his MacT presser performance he's kept to pancake breakfasts with sponsors and 1st tier fans.

The playoffs were essentially out of reach after losing to ANA on April 8th.

I hope the timing of this announcement was coupled with MacT smacking everyone who kept him playing upside the head.

Just dumb.

AMEN! Well said!

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#97 morgie99
April 21 2013, 02:45PM
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Jasmine wrote:

STOP BLAMING LOWE. THIS IS NOT LOWE'S FAULT. THIS IS TAMBELLINI'S FAULT. I'M GETTING FED UP WITH LOWE GETTING BLAMED AND TAMBELLINI GETTING A FREE RIDE. THIS IS TABELLINI'S FAULT AS IT TAKES HIM TOO LONG TO ASSESS. STOP THE LOWE BASHING. NO WONDER PLAYERS DON'T SIGN IN EDMONTON. THEY'LL GET BASHED AND RUN OUT OF TOWN BY SO-CALLED OILERS FANS.

STOP WITH THE CAPS LOCK LOL

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#98 God
April 21 2013, 02:47PM
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Off season meal-plan:

1. A steady diet of steroids and babies. 2. A bowl of blood before every game.

I want this kid drooling for carnage by the start of next season! They got it right on BackhandShelf: he needs a panic button where he just gets into beast mode and keeps the puck on his stick like a magnet. Joe Sakic wasn't a rough or viscous guy, but he had that extra gear.

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#99 Ambassador humantorch
April 21 2013, 02:50PM
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I don't even live in Canada, so I'm about an 8th tier fan and the Oilers could likely give a flying fart about my opinion, yet here it is anyways.

This is the Ghost of Tambellini Past coming back to haunt us. No other explanation makes any sense.

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#100 GVBlackhawk
April 21 2013, 02:51PM
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Jasmine wrote:

STOP BLAMING LOWE. THIS IS NOT LOWE'S FAULT. THIS IS TAMBELLINI'S FAULT. I'M GETTING FED UP WITH LOWE GETTING BLAMED AND TAMBELLINI GETTING A FREE RIDE. THIS IS TABELLINI'S FAULT AS IT TAKES HIM TOO LONG TO ASSESS. STOP THE LOWE BASHING. NO WONDER PLAYERS DON'T SIGN IN EDMONTON. THEY'LL GET BASHED AND RUN OUT OF TOWN BY SO-CALLED OILERS FANS.

I don't like you.

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