Nation Network 2013 Mock Draft: Picks 1-10

Jonathan Willis
June 12 2013 08:29AM

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Mock drafts are popular this time of year, and we’ve decided to do something a little different at the Nation this summer. Instead of presenting our picks, we’ll show consensus rankings and offer up scouting reports, than ask our readers to vote on the order they would select those players in.

We start with the top-10 selections.

The list order below is based on a weighted draft ranking done by NHL Numbers. The scouting reports are my own and are intended as summaries of other sources, including TSN, The Hockey News, Hockey Prospectus, Future Considerations as well as others.

The Consensus Picks

1. Seth Jones (WHL: 61GP, 14-42-56). 6’4”, 205-pound defender is expected to emerge as a complete player. He’s highly mobile (he skates well, not just well for a big man), has real puck skills, and his ability to read and react seems to be universally praised. If there’s a drawback, it’s that he isn’t known for playing with a lot of edge, though nobody seems to question his ability to play a physical game.

2. Nathan MacKinnon (QMJHL: 44GP, 32-43-75). Just barely old enough to be eligible for this year’s draft, MacKinnon lacks ideal size (6’, 182 pounds) but that’s basically all he lacks. He’s an elite-level scorer, a fantastic skater, and despite his average frame he plays a power game and his work ethic gets rave reviews. His defence, as with most young players, will need to improve over time.

3. Jonathan Drouin (QMJHL: 49GP, 41-64-105). MacKinnon and Drouin are neck-and-neck, and in some eyes the left wing has outshone his centre. The Hockey News and Hockey Prospectus both rank Drouin ahead of MacKinnon, and given his offensive numbers it’s easy to understand why. He’s a fantastic scorer and has what Craig Button calls “exceptional intelligence.”

4. Aleksander Barkov (FIN: 53GP, 21-27-48). Like MacKinnon, Barkov is extremely young – both players are only two weeks removed from a spot in the 2014 NHL Draft. The 6’2” centre excelled in the Finnish men’s league, and his on-ice vision and ability to read a play – both offensively and defensively – get top marks. His skating isn’t at the same level as other players in this draft, however. Read more at Flames Nation.

5. Valeri Nichushkin (KHL: 18GP, 4-2-6). The 6’3” winger combines high-level skating with a power forward frame, and his abilities with the puck mean he may end up being an elite NHL winger; some have even said that he’s a contender for the top spot based on his tools. Nichushkin committing to playing in the NHL means KHL fears are lessened. Hockey sense gets mixed reviews – sometimes even by the same scout, as The Hockey News quotes one who questioned Nichushkin’s decision-making early in the year but ultimately decided he had excellent vision. Defensively, he’s not seen as a strong player and his scoring numbers (15 points in 43 KHL regular season and playoff games) are underwhelming. Read more at Oilers Nation and Flames Nation.

6. Elias Lindholm (SWE: 48GP, 11-19-30). Another player with average size, Lindholm can play both centre and wing. His scoring numbers in Sweden are exceptional, but scouting reports suggest he may not have the same offensive threshold as others in this draft. Where he excels is as a two-way player – the combination of high-level skating and extreme intelligence on the ice make him projectable as an all-situations player; Future Considerations went so far as to compare him to Patrice Bergeron and Henrik Zetterberg. Read more at Flames Nation.

7. Sean Monahan (OHL: 58GP, 31-47-78). Monahan’s two-way game gets strong marks, but his offensive ceiling simply isn’t as high as the players ranked above him. Playmaking, size (6’2”, 187 pounds) and intelligence are all regarded as strengths; speed is the most significantly mentioned weakness while some question his scoring ability. Read more at Oilers Nation and Flames Nation.

8. Darnell Nurse (OHL: 68GP, 12-29-41). He’s big (6’4”, 185 according to the NHL; I’ve seen him listed anywhere from 6’3” to 6’5”), and at least as importantly he’s mean – he plays with more of an edge (both hitting and fighting) than any of the other top-ranked players in the draft this year. He’s not a one-trick pony, either; he makes a good first pass (though he isn’t likely to be a high-end offensive defenceman) and provides solid coverage in the defensive zone. Read more at Oilers Nation.

9. Hunter Shinkaruk (WHL: 64GP, 37-49-86). He can skate, and he can score goals, and that’s a highly attractive blend of skills for NHL teams. The winger lacks ideal size (5’10”, 181 pounds) and his defensive game is apparently something of a mess, but he doesn’t lack courage.

10. Rasmus Ristolainen (FIN: 52GP, 3-12-15). The 6’3” Ristolainen has a wide range of skills, but most of them at the ‘good not great’ threshold. He is a good skater, makes a good first pass, plays well in the defensive zone, but he’s not seen as an elite-level player in any of those areas. Some reports also suggest a fear that he may struggle with the speed of the NHL game, given the more passive nature of the game on European ice. He projects as a two-way defenceman.

On The Outside

11. Nikita Zadorov (OHL: 63GP, 6-19-25). Another big defenceman (6’4”, 200 pounds according to the NHL site; most media outlets list him at 6’5”, 230 pounds), Zadorov is seen as a bit of a project. He’s a dominant physical player and extremely strong, and he fares well enough in other areas – he skates well given his size, makes a reasonable first pass – to be of real interest. The trouble is that while he has a lot of tools they haven’t come together yet; he’s raw defensively and lacks high-end offensive upside. If it all comes together, though, he could be an elite shutdown defender.

12. Ryan Pulock (WHL: 61GP, 14-31-45). Nobody doubts his elite shot, and he Pulock has a strong puck-moving abilities, too. The trouble is his size and skating both fall into the average range, and there are mixed reports on his defensive play, which seems to be solid but unexceptional.

13. Adam Erne (QMJHL: 68GP, 28-44-72). The winger is a good skater, he’s strong on the puck, and he has goal-scoring ability. He isn’t seen as a strong offensive player otherwise, and he isn’t a high-end player in any category, but he has a well-rounded skillset. One scout The Hockey News quoted indicated that fitness might be an issue right now, but that he had potential to be even better if he his conditioning improved.

14. Josh Morrissey (WHL: 70GP, 15-32-47). Size is the issue here – the WHL defenceman is listed at 5’11”, 182 pounds. Otherwise there is a lot to like: he’s smart, he’s an excellent skater, his offensive tools are good and he relishes playing a physical game.

15. Max Domi (OHL: 64GP, 39-48-87). Smallish winger is an “offensive dynamo” and gets pegged by The Hockey News as a power forward despite generally being listed at 5’9” or 5’10” because he plays such a fearless game (he’s also expected to play at 200 pounds or more at the NHL level). His effort level is questioned by some, and Future Considerations says that “self-control and maturity are still a work in progress.”

16. Curtis Lazar (WHL: 72GP, 38-23-61). Lazar gets high marks for character and defensive play; he’s also seen as good skater and a safe pick. The question is how much offence he will generate in the NHL, because despite strong goal-scoring numbers he is seen by some as a player who lacks the creativity to be a top-six forward in the NHL. Read more at Oilers Nation.

17. Anthony Mantha (QMJHL: 67GP, 50-39-89). The 6’4” winger skates well and is a one-shot scorer, but he doesn’t play the physical game scouts would like to see. He’s also at the old end of the draft curve (he missed being eligible for the 2012 Draft by less than a weak) and outside of his shot he’s not seen as overly creative offensively by the consensus.

18. Frederik Gauthier (QMJHL: 62GP, 22-38-60). A 6’5” centre who skates well for his size, Gautheir gets good grades as a defensive forward and an intelligent player. What he lacks is a willingness to play a tough physical game, and his offence is open to question.

19. Bo Horvat (OHL: 67GP, 32-28-60). Horvat’s trending upward since the NHL Numbers consensus rankings because he can do it all. He’s tough, plays a 200-foot game, scores goals and skates, too. The only question is how high is ceiling is offensively.

20. Alexander Wennberg (SWE2: 46GP, 14-18-32). 6’1” forward can play either wing or centre; he skates well, has good offensive tools and hockey sense that makes him both a threat to score and a good defensive forward. He needs to add bulk to his frame.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#51 BurningSensation
June 12 2013, 10:06AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Lindholm.

I like Nurse a lot, I just like Lindholm a little more.

This.

I think the talk of the Hurricane's wanting a D-man is overblown, and Lindholm goes to Carolina at #5.

Which means we'll get Monahan.

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#52 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 12 2013, 10:09AM
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the-wolf wrote:

Also, I still say it's more feasible to try to move into the top 15 and try go after a Domi, Zadorov or Wennberg than to move into the top 4.

If you're a Flames fan and you're talking about Calgary....then yes.....this makes perfect sense.

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#53 Smokey
June 12 2013, 10:17AM
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JW, what do you think. I think the only trading partner for trading up in the draft is Carolina at 5, because I believe the player they are going to want is Nurse or Ristolainen. Will it take a drastic overpay or say a 3rd round pick from say next year be required.

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#54 Joel
June 12 2013, 10:18AM
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If you read what the Oilers have said about the draft, they have been talking about centers

Mackinnon Barkov Monahan Horvat.

Oilers have not talked about these players

Lindholm Nichushkin Nurse

Does it mean anything?

MacT did say

"Our wish list in the draft would be to draft a centerman and/or a defenseman with that pick in that area."

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#55 treblecharger
June 12 2013, 10:19AM
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Based on team needs, I see it going like this: 1. Avs take MacKinnon- too good to pass up & I'm sure the new coach got an eyeful of him in the Q. 2. Florida then goes BPA & takes Jones. 3. TB takes Drouin. 4. Nash takes Lindholm to go with Forsberg. 5. Because of the Staal/Soo connection, Carolina takes Nurse. 6. Falmes take Barkov 7. Oil have choice of Nichushkin,Monahan, Horvat, Zadorov or Lazar.

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#56 aloudoun
June 12 2013, 10:22AM
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^ my dream as a Flames fan right there. Barkov please!

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#57 bsmart
June 12 2013, 10:22AM
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I would trade Eberle and #7 for Mackinnon at #2

I would miss Ebs but in my opinion having Mackinnon and Hopkins as your centers for the next 10-15years would be remarkable.

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#58 vetinari
June 12 2013, 10:24AM
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You can't teach size and you can't make a player develop a mean streak... take Nurse at #7 if the two or three best centres are gone by that point (as I suspect that they will be). Think of a blue line in three years that is anchored by Petry, J. Schultz, Klefbon, Marincin and Nurse... that lineup would have a good blend of size, skill and intelligence for a young team.

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#59 Smokey
June 12 2013, 10:27AM
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treblecharger wrote:

Based on team needs, I see it going like this: 1. Avs take MacKinnon- too good to pass up & I'm sure the new coach got an eyeful of him in the Q. 2. Florida then goes BPA & takes Jones. 3. TB takes Drouin. 4. Nash takes Lindholm to go with Forsberg. 5. Because of the Staal/Soo connection, Carolina takes Nurse. 6. Falmes take Barkov 7. Oil have choice of Nichushkin,Monahan, Horvat, Zadorov or Lazar.

Barkov won't fall outta the top 5. He's the most NHL ready with size and how has shown in a mens league. Nichuskin shouldn't based on sublime skill. 6'4, skates like the wind, has hands, and is strong on the puck, and played in the KHL. Looks NHL ready

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#60 b
June 12 2013, 10:29AM
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@everton fc

Zadorov has serious mobility issues. i saw a lot of him in the memorial cup and I was unimpressed.

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#61 Reg Dunlop
June 12 2013, 10:30AM
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Fate intervenes at this year's draft and MacT responds: the success of the big, bad Bruins convinces the first 6 general managers picking to avoid a 165lb winger with as much strength and aggression as a baby kitten, leaving Drouin for the oil. Just what we need, right? Only this time MacT resists the temptation, realizing that the NHL will not become a non-contact ringette league anytime soon and trades down for Pouliot and a 3rd round pick. Sorry, I meant Bob Falkanberg. No, wait... Lazar. That's the guy.

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#62 Smokey
June 12 2013, 10:32AM
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bsmart wrote:

I would trade Eberle and #7 for Mackinnon at #2

I would miss Ebs but in my opinion having Mackinnon and Hopkins as your centers for the next 10-15years would be remarkable.

I'd almost do that to, but I think its a steep overpay. McKinnon is not Crosby, and I albeit he will be good, Eberle might be the best scorer on the Oilers in the next few season.

I'd try Pjaarvi, 7th, Hemsky, and a second rounder or say Maricin.

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#63 In the Grease
June 12 2013, 10:34AM
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Oilers #7 pick to the Leafs for Jake Gardiner and their first rounder - #21, let's say Lazar...

...as per the suggestion in Will Fraser's blog

http://www.theteam1260.com/blog/fraser/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10555583

Appealing right now, but if #7 = Lindholm = Zetterberg ... lol

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#64 JAKE
June 12 2013, 10:35AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Please trade up, please trade up, for the love of God, please trade up Craig. Have Barkov still on the board at 5.

QSB, you think out of the box..... let's say Avs take Jones at #1 ....would you entertain RNH to Florida (other conference) for the #2 overall and maybe fillers on both sides, and take MacKinnon ? (little voices in my head suggesting RNH's offense, especially 5x5 numbers may lag vs. MacKinnon in the long-term and where his defense won't balance that lag off, as a #1 center).

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#65 JCDavies
June 12 2013, 10:38AM
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Smokey wrote:

I'd almost do that to, but I think its a steep overpay. McKinnon is not Crosby, and I albeit he will be good, Eberle might be the best scorer on the Oilers in the next few season.

I'd try Pjaarvi, 7th, Hemsky, and a second rounder or say Maricin.

At this point, shouldn't the Oilers be targeting a top-pairing D instead of another forward?

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#66 Taylor Gang
June 12 2013, 10:38AM
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bsmart wrote:

I would trade Eberle and #7 for Mackinnon at #2

I would miss Ebs but in my opinion having Mackinnon and Hopkins as your centers for the next 10-15years would be remarkable.

That is very interesting. It would definitely fit under the category of bold move.

You know what? Pass me some Kool-Aid, I'd do it!

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#67 Taylor Gang
June 12 2013, 10:44AM
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The only three players I would like on the Oilers from the draft, or else trade the #7 for a roster player:

1) Barkov - he's bigger than "Ganye" and has the skill to fit into our top 6 immediately. Makes Gagner expendable

2) Nichuskhin - Larger player we have been dreaming of for the second line, plus a Russian buddy for Yakupov. It would be a toss up between him and Barkov for my favorite but I feel like we wouldn't have to move up as much in order to get him.

3) Monahan - would be our 3rd line centre upon entry into the NHL, plus 2 years down the road once again Ganye could be traded.

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#68 JCDavies
June 12 2013, 10:47AM
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@JAKE

"let's say Avs take Jones at #1 ....would you entertain RNH to Florida (other conference) for the #2 overall and maybe fillers on both sides, and take MacKinnon ? (little voices in my head suggesting RNH's offense, especially 5x5 numbers may lag vs. MacKinnon in the long-term and where his defense won't balance that lag off, as a #1 center)."

I would expect Mackinnon to be more durable in the long run and you would gain a couple ELC years.

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#69 Smokey
June 12 2013, 10:49AM
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JCDavies wrote:

At this point, shouldn't the Oilers be targeting a top-pairing D instead of another forward?

maybe, but McKinnon, RNH would rival any two centers in the league not named Crosby, Malkin.

More I think about it I would do Eberle, and the 7th. But then you gotta wonder why Florida would not want to have Huberdeau, McKinnon over say Huberdeau, Eberle, Lindholm/Monahan. I don't know what is better.

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#70 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 10:49AM
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JAKE wrote:

QSB, you think out of the box..... let's say Avs take Jones at #1 ....would you entertain RNH to Florida (other conference) for the #2 overall and maybe fillers on both sides, and take MacKinnon ? (little voices in my head suggesting RNH's offense, especially 5x5 numbers may lag vs. MacKinnon in the long-term and where his defense won't balance that lag off, as a #1 center).

As much as I love MacKinnon i'd have to say no. That would leave a hole the size of the Grand Canyon at center ice here, but since you're listening, would you consider Yakupov, Paajarvi and Gernat for that second pick sir?

RNH,(insert Weiss type here),MacKinnon and Ott would certainly change the identity of this hockey club. Still having the freedom to select Nurse with the 7th pick is what appeals to me on this deal. Our Oilers are a non playoff team again anyways this coming season so i'm not really concerned starting a rookie at center. Fight like hell to find a Clarkson type forward or two this summer. I'd even take 50pt Penner back at this point for 2nd/3rd line duties.

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#71 Smokey
June 12 2013, 10:55AM
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I doubt Florida would listen to any offers, but here's some outta the box thinking. To Florida for number 2, our 7th, Klefbom, MPS, Marincin or Hemsky...probably not, but what the hell, its raining and I can't go outside.

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My prediction:

1. COL: Jones. The Avs have three solid centers.

2. FLA: McKinnon. Panthers take McKinnon and run. He will be their 1C.

3. TB: Barkov. I think Drouin is the most skilled player in the draft but if I was Tampa, I wouldn't pass up on a big, two-way center, with great scoring potential like Barkov. They're pretty weak up the middle after Stamkos.

4. NSH: If Barkov goes to TB, I can't see how the Preds can take Drouin. They need a center. I think there's a good chance they take Monahan ahead of Drouin. Although who knows.

5. CAR: Drouin. Oh how lucky will the Canes get if Drouin drops this much. They have two solid centers and Drouin will only complement them further.

6. CGY: Lindholm. The Flames are dumb, but not dumb enough to pass on a C/W that is one of the better Swedish prospects in 10 years.

7. EDM: Nichushkin. I don't really like Nichuskin. I don't think he'll be able to score in the NHL at the same rate as the picks above. But I also don't think the Oilers would pass on him. That or they trade the pick.

I hope the Oilers can find a way to get one of McKinnon (obviously), Barkov, Monahan, or Lindholm. I just don't think it's going to happen, unless a team is dumb enough to draft Nichushkin at higher than 7. I hope the Oilers trade the pick (and possibly other assets) for an already established 2C like Couturier or Schenn.

The rest is irrelevant.

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#73 Will
June 12 2013, 11:01AM
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Still hoping Nichushkin falls to 7 and we pick up Antropov as a UFA for two years at 3 mill per. Start the season with Antripov and Nichuskin on the third line, and keep the Gagner Paajarvi Yak line together until Nichushkin is ready for second line LW minutes. Then trade Gags for a solid two way third line centre who can win face-offs, demote Paajarvi into a third line shut down role, and away you go. There, I just fixed our size issues in the top six, and upgraded both the scoring in the top six and on the third line.

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#74 The Beaker
June 12 2013, 11:02AM
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JCDavies wrote:

At this point, shouldn't the Oilers be targeting a top-pairing D instead of another forward?

We have lots of defense prospects. Drafting another one should only happen if they are the no brainer BPA at wherever we're drafting (say we traded to #4 and Jones fell - Wont happen, just saying).

Drafting a center makes way more sense then drafting a Defensemen. Though if we were to trade that pick for an established Dman then that is a different story.

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#75 Smokey
June 12 2013, 11:09AM
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Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat. wrote:

My prediction:

1. COL: Jones. The Avs have three solid centers.

2. FLA: McKinnon. Panthers take McKinnon and run. He will be their 1C.

3. TB: Barkov. I think Drouin is the most skilled player in the draft but if I was Tampa, I wouldn't pass up on a big, two-way center, with great scoring potential like Barkov. They're pretty weak up the middle after Stamkos.

4. NSH: If Barkov goes to TB, I can't see how the Preds can take Drouin. They need a center. I think there's a good chance they take Monahan ahead of Drouin. Although who knows.

5. CAR: Drouin. Oh how lucky will the Canes get if Drouin drops this much. They have two solid centers and Drouin will only complement them further.

6. CGY: Lindholm. The Flames are dumb, but not dumb enough to pass on a C/W that is one of the better Swedish prospects in 10 years.

7. EDM: Nichushkin. I don't really like Nichuskin. I don't think he'll be able to score in the NHL at the same rate as the picks above. But I also don't think the Oilers would pass on him. That or they trade the pick.

I hope the Oilers can find a way to get one of McKinnon (obviously), Barkov, Monahan, or Lindholm. I just don't think it's going to happen, unless a team is dumb enough to draft Nichushkin at higher than 7. I hope the Oilers trade the pick (and possibly other assets) for an already established 2C like Couturier or Schenn.

The rest is irrelevant.

You stated...6. CGY: Lindholm. The Flames are dumb, but not dumb enough to pass on a C/W that is one of the better Swedish prospects in 10 years.

Where did you read that. I did some research on Lindholm and the opinions on him were kinda "meh," in terms of whether he had elite potential. He showed a good two way game, and limited offence at the World Juniors, and is playing on a cherry line in Sweden. I think he will be a 2nd line center in the NHL, but best prospect in 10 years?

And yes Calgary is dumn enough. Exhibit A, last years draft...I rest my case. Book em!

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#76 JCDavies
June 12 2013, 11:11AM
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@The Beaker

I agree, I was thinking more along the lines of a top-pairing defenseman that could contribute immediately.

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Smokey wrote:

You stated...6. CGY: Lindholm. The Flames are dumb, but not dumb enough to pass on a C/W that is one of the better Swedish prospects in 10 years.

Where did you read that. I did some research on Lindholm and the opinions on him were kinda "meh," in terms of whether he had elite potential. He showed a good two way game, and limited offence at the World Juniors, and is playing on a cherry line in Sweden. I think he will be a 2nd line center in the NHL, but best prospect in 10 years?

And yes Calgary is dumn enough. Exhibit A, last years draft...I rest my case. Book em!

There are some minor concerns about Lindholm but I believe he's legit.

Corey Pronman's scouting report on Lindholm (check out what he says about the skill level break after pick 6):
http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1520

Lindholm comparables at Copper 'n Blue (there's some really good company there):
http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/6/6/4401998/elias-lindholm-draft-comparables

And finally, how can anyone argue with a YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4x9D3uRqEU

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#78 Willi P
June 12 2013, 11:24AM
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Shredder wrote:

I'm hoping we keep the #7 overall pick and take Darnell Nurse. While having a young offensive dynamo has been great for the Oilers, and adding a 2 way threat like Monahan would be great...I don't think we can get enough defensive prospects, especially one who's mean with a mean streak and good defensively. He'll be in junior for another couple years, so thinking long term, having a defensive stud come into the organization while the Oilers are peaking sounds awesome.

Also, looking at some of the stats, if Yak's bday was late and he fell to this draft, I'd take him #1 this year. He had 105 points the year before his draft year!

Maybe you would take Yak #1 this year, however don't think any NHL teams would. He would be lucky to be drafted in the top 5 this year and for sure not #1

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#79 Lochenzo
June 12 2013, 11:25AM
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The more I've followed Nurse, the more I like him. Pronger-nasty. If Monahan is available, take him. The NHL-roster and the prospect depth clearly needs a skilled, two-way centre. But if he's gone, Nurse would be my pick.

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#80 G Money
June 12 2013, 11:33AM
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Seems pretty clear that Jones, NMac, and Drouin will be top 3. That means our #7 pick will be choosing from one of: Barkov, Nichuskin, Monahan, Lindholm, Nurse.

Excellent chance those are going to be players, even elite players. It will not be a bad thing if we end up just using the pick.

Desperate needs for this team are 3/4C and D. Logical trade choices:

- Trade #7 to a cap-strapped team that needs to reduce costs. Either straight across for a top 4 D, or a trade down - a veteran 3C + swap first rounders

- Trade #7 and a high-end prospect (not a roster player) for #4 or #5 pick to guarantee we get one of Barkov or Monahan.

The idea of trading RNH (who is already an elite NHL player) or Yak (who is as good a prospect as any of the current top 3 choices AND has proven he can play at the NHL level) for picks is bizarre.

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#81 DSF
June 12 2013, 11:35AM
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James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 6m

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So far I've read suggestions of trading RNH or Yak (both 1st overall picks) to try and get MacKinnon (who will go 2nd or 3rd TOPS). Are you guys out of your minds?

RNH is 19 and has 2 years of NHL experience and is a growing, elite 2-way centre.

Yak is going to score twice as many goals as MacKinnon, especially now that he'll play in his natural RW position.

Eakins has stated that he believes in pairs (I 100% agree with this belief). RNH/Ebs have good chemistry and Hall/Yak have good chemistry. Adding a big guy like Couturier at the draft to fill our need at centre makes the most sense to me. He is 20 and will grow up with this team and fit perfectly into Eakins' philosophy.

Trade RNH - who hockey people around the league think maybe one of the best centers in NHL in a few years - for a high draft pick.......?

There should be an IQ test before some are allowed to post on the internet!

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#83 BC BOY
June 12 2013, 11:42AM
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It's time to trade this pick and use it to get a useful NHL player. When you are drafting a player it is risky considering you are using someone opinions to base a players potential and how it will translate to the NHL. These kids are well "kids" and are not even fully developed. A bonafide NHL will do the oilers way more good then having a potential useful NHL player in their system.

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#84 BC BOY
June 12 2013, 11:44AM
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*bonafide NHL player

My mistake

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#85 OilersBrass
June 12 2013, 12:09PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

The more I've followed Nurse, the more I like him. Pronger-nasty. If Monahan is available, take him. The NHL-roster and the prospect depth clearly needs a skilled, two-way centre. But if he's gone, Nurse would be my pick.

Nurse isn't that nasty. Lazar fought Nurse who has a huge size advantage over him, and Nurse didn't really do much of anything to him.

I don't get why people like Nurse so much, he's being a little overrated by everyone.

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#86 Will
June 12 2013, 12:17PM
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James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 6m

Flyers acquire Streit from the Isles.

Hmmm, I mean if there were already some back end deals going on, why wouldn't Philly just wait till he hit free agency and then get him for nothing? It seems the trade was done simply so they can get first crack at pitching him, but not that he is a lock to play in Philly.

I never really believed he'd come to Edmonton, but I don't think he'll play in Philly either.

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#87 Derzie
June 12 2013, 12:18PM
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Seems pretty clear that Jones, NMac, and Drouin will be top 3. That means our #7 pick will be choosing from one of: Barkov, Nichuskin, Monahan, Lindholm, Nurse.

Excellent chance those are going to be players, even elite players. It will not be a bad thing if we end up just using the pick.

Desperate needs for this team are 3/4C and D. Logical trade choices:

- Trade #7 to a cap-strapped team that needs to reduce costs. Either straight across for a top 4 D, or a trade down - a veteran 3C + swap first rounders

- Trade #7 and a high-end prospect (not a roster player) for #4 or #5 pick to guarantee we get one of Barkov or Monahan.

The idea of trading RNH (who is already an elite NHL player) or Yak (who is as good a prospect as any of the current top 3 choices AND has proven he can play at the NHL level) for picks is bizarre.

Yak got more points than RNH. A few less games but still RNH got 24 pts to Hall's 50 to Marty St. Louis' 60. Not my definition of 'elite' when comparing players.

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#88 OilersBrass
June 12 2013, 12:19PM
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I think Seth Jones is going to go either 3 or 4. Some scouts even have Barkov ahead of Jones in the draft.

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#89 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 12:20PM
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James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 6m

Flyers acquire Streit from the Isles.

What do you figure 3 weeks to do a deal with Ryan Whitney be worth, 4th/5th rounder?

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#90 OilersBrass
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Hmmm, I mean if there were already some back end deals going on, why wouldn't Philly just wait till he hit free agency and then get him for nothing? It seems the trade was done simply so they can get first crack at pitching him, but not that he is a lock to play in Philly.

I never really believed he'd come to Edmonton, but I don't think he'll play in Philly either.

Philly will do anything to get a player they want. Their GM also doesn't seem to understand that they have a cap.

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#91 Will
June 12 2013, 12:21PM
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Why on earth would anyone want to trade Yak? Especially for a high draft pick? I mean, you could trade that kid for a bonafied top end D, not a prospect who is only likely to turn into a solid D in a few years. And Mckinnon? Are you crazy? Kid was supposed to be the next Crosby and he's not even a lock for number 2 in the draft.

Out of Hall, Nuge, Ebs, Schultz and Yak, I still think Yak is going to become the team's best player. You watch, by the time he finishes his third year with the team, do a comparison chart of the first three years for all of these young players and Yak will be ahead in most categories.

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#92 DSF
June 12 2013, 12:24PM
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Will wrote:

Hmmm, I mean if there were already some back end deals going on, why wouldn't Philly just wait till he hit free agency and then get him for nothing? It seems the trade was done simply so they can get first crack at pitching him, but not that he is a lock to play in Philly.

I never really believed he'd come to Edmonton, but I don't think he'll play in Philly either.

You can bet that Holmgren was able to talk to his agent before the trade was finalized.

He'll sign in Philly.

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#93 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 12:30PM
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With it being business as usual for 28 teams for a few weeks already, have to think MacTavish has an agreement or two in place already. Figured he'd be one of the busier GM's right out of the gate. Sure looks to be one hell of a busy draft coming up, might rival the NHL trade deadline day that weekend.

With Holmgren taking on another 4.5-5 in Mark Streit, now would be a good time to make a pitch for Scotty Hartnell.

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#94 Taylor Gang
June 12 2013, 12:31PM
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My money says Streit will sign in Philly, but it will be interesting to see the strings they will pull in order to make cap room.

Even with buyouts of Briere and Bryz, they will still have some holes to fill will little cap room. Add in the fact that Giroux will need a new contract soon and they may find themselves in cap trouble once again.

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#95 Willi P
June 12 2013, 12:31PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

What do you figure 3 weeks to do a deal with Ryan Whitney be worth, 4th/5th rounder?

Benched on a team with a thin D. Maybe a bag of used pucks.

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#96 EHH Team
June 12 2013, 12:32PM
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Excellent! they should be moving Defensemen to clear cap space! We could potentially do a #7 for Couturier and Mezsaros + another pick or prospect.

Agreed. They'll definitly have to clear cap space. Couturier may well be available.

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#97 Taylor Gang
June 12 2013, 12:36PM
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Agreed. They'll definitly have to clear cap space. Couturier may well be available.

Doesn't couturier have a low cap hit right now, poking a hole in your argument?

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#98 S4H1
June 12 2013, 12:37PM
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@DSF

Essentially 100% probability Streit does not leave Philly. Perfect situation for him.

I'm thinking #7 and #36 for Couturier, Meszsaros, and #11. This should work out for both teams. Philly moves up 4 spots and move out two players who had disappointing 2013 seasons. The oilers get a high end C prospect and a 2-3 Defenseman, while only moving down 4 spots.

Meszaros, Voracek and Giroux are the only big cap numbers that don't have NTCs. Bryzgalov's buyout won't clear enough space to sign Streit and certainly won't be enough for a new goaltender. Meszaros is as good as gone while they will likely have to move a third large contract as well.

It's raining Flyers! Lets catch some!

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#99 S4H1
June 12 2013, 12:39PM
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@Taylor Gang

Couturier is the center (no pun intended) of a trade for the #7. It is in giving us Couturier that they can include the injured Meszaros.

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#100 Will
June 12 2013, 12:40PM
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DSF wrote:

You can bet that Holmgren was able to talk to his agent before the trade was finalized.

He'll sign in Philly.

I don't doubt that he did, but if that's the case and a 'deal' was made, why do the trade when you can get him on the open market anyway? Was it kind of a bone to throw to the Isles to keep relations good? The move just doesn't make sense. The only other scenario is that Holmgren didn't even want Streit to receive any other offers.

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