AROUND THE LEAGUE: WEEK THREE

The game many of us grew up playing or watching will once again have to face one of its deepest and darkest secrets now that Graham James is back in Canada. This time around, I hope the hockey world embraces the victims and sets the stage for other victims to come forward because the hockey world will support them too.

THE ARREST

Early Wednesday morning at the Pearson International airport in Toronto, James, the convicted sex offender and former WHL coach and Hockey News man of the year, was arrested by members of the Winnipeg Police Service. On October 13th, Winnipeg police issued a warrant for James’ arrest in connection with charges of sexual assault and other life-ruining acts involving three complainants, one of which is former NHLer Theo Fleury.

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When the warrant was originally issued I wondered if James would have the guts to “Man Up“ and do the right thing. He was living in Mexico and had he chose to stay there it would have taken years to extradite him back to Canada. He could have remained in hiding and never faced the music, which based on his past history is what I thought he would do. I applaud him for returning to Canada to face his charges and finally doing the right thing.

Sexual assualt or abuse is still very much a taboo topic in society and maybe even more in hockey. Hockey, and in fact most sports, have always tried to maintain an image of toughness filled with lots of bravado and machismo. Showing weakness was, and sometimes still is, frowned upon. Unfortunately history shows that in hockey and in real life turning a blind eye to allegations or rumours of sexual abuse is the norm.

In 1996, James was arrested and charged with sexual assault against two minors. Former NHLer, Sheldon Kennedy was one of them while the other chose to remain anonymous. James plead guilty in 1997 and was sentanced to three and a half years in jail.At the time of his conviction he admitted to over 350 sexual encounters with the boys.

In 2009, it was revealed that two years earlier James was actually quietly given a pardon by the Justice System. I don’t want to focus on how someone could have allowed that to happen, but the Federal Government has since said it would crack down on pardons to avoid similar situations.

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The James case will re-open wounds for the victims, but unfortunately many of us prefer not to hear or read about. When James was charged in 1996 many people around him didn’t believe it. They thought James, who used to be a teacher, was a great guy.

I wonder if some choose not to believe it, because they’d rather just not deal with it?

It must be very disappointing that many Canadians don’t want to deal with this type of abuse and are more apt to look the other way,  And yet the victims, who have already suffered tremendously are forced to find the strength and courage to face their demons head on and in this case in front of the media spotlight.

THEO FLEURY

Theo Fleury has recently released a best selling book about his abuse at the hands of James and has become a spokesperson for sexual abuse.

I had Fleury on my show and asked him to explain why it took him so long to finally be able to talk about his past.

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"I really needed to be ready to do this so it would have the biggest impact. I don’t think it was in people’s best interest to see a guy in front of reporters or talking about it in documentaries who was still broken and still breaking down and upset about what happened to him in his life. I needed to be a position of strength. I needed to be in a position where I had taken back my own power, and I think the honesty in which the book was presented reflected that."

Unfortunately many in the public don’t want to hear about sexual abuse cases. We all too often turn a blind eye and the statistics show that there are severe consequences for the victims who come forward – especially males and especially in sports.

All too often people make insensitive comments like, "If he didn’t like it he would have stopped it," without thinking that no one in their right mind would want to have their innocence and soul taken away. This not only discourages victims of sexual abuse to come forward, but it also creates a culture of secrecy that allows predators like Graham James to continue to commit their horrific crimes.

I have never been assaulted, so I can’t truly understand how it would impact one’s life and what they must go through on a day to day basis afterwards. I have however talked with many who have. The saddest part is that in most cases the reaction they receive when the unveil what happened is just as hurtful and damaging as the original abuse.

THE IMPACT ON HOCKEY

It goes without saying that hockey is more than just our national pastime here in Canada.

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I don’t think there is anything that unifies our nation more than our love of the sport, and that is why the hockey world needs to be front and centre in the James case. Fleury told me that during many of his book signings, many males would come up to him say thank you and then lean in close and whisper to him, "I’ve been there too man."

How has Fleury’s life changed now that he has come forward?

"I’m now a very strong advocate for sexual abuse and sexual violence. There are lots of kids out there who, on a daily basis, are victims to pedophiles that we don’t know about. I truly believe that this subject is the biggest epidemic we have on the planet. For years no one wanted to talk about and the trickle down effect that is has on people who have mental illnesses or post tramatic stress disorder is alarming. I think homelessness is a direct by product of abuse and prisons are full of guys who are angry and resentful and they want to get back at society. It is a bigger thing than people can imagine.

"I’m very comfortable now to stand out in front and try to make a difference and challenge the people in Ottawa who make the laws and the judicial system and even you guys in the media.  Nine times out of ten, most media guys don’t go after the perpetrator they always go after the weaker, innoncent victims of sexual abuse because it is easier. And that just reflects how completely backwards and upside down the system is.

"Now I don’t care what people think about me or feel about me. Through my process I found out who I am as a person and I’ve found strength, courage and hope. I’ve realized that when I was uncomfortable at any point in my life, if I had just walked through the fear that there would be huge growth in me. 

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"Anybody who is thinking about going through this process I encourage them to do it, because I am such a better person today than I ever was at any other point in my life. Yes there were times when it was difficult and hard, but my entire life has been that way, so it’s a matter of facing the challenges and making sure you have the support of family and friends."

A TRAGEDY IN 1986

As I looked into the Graham James case, I came across an incredible article by Gare Joyce.  It was written in 2006, and talked about the connection surrounding the 20-year anniversary of the Swift Current Broncos bus crash that killed Trent Kresse, Scott Kruger, Chris Mantyka and Brent Ruff and along with it Graham James’ original court case.

James was the coach when the Broncos’ bus crashed on December 30th, 1986.

Joyce wrote how a small community turned its back on the victims of crash and those who suffered at the hands of James.

There were other lingering questions in Swift Current, questions about the man who coached the Broncos to their championship. Scott Kruger was just the first to air his doubts about Graham James’ sexual orientation. Over the years, the Broncos’ coach was subject to taunts from opponents and crowds across the WHL. And sometimes James’ players were targeted, too. They heard chants of "Graham’s bumboy."

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Sheldon Kennedy had been the first of the Broncos to hear the chants. He left Swift Current after the championship season and made it to the NHL, first with Detroit, later with Boston. Kennedy had been a promising junior but a disappointment as a pro — he battled injuries and substance abuse. NHL teammates thought it strange that his coach in Swift Current stayed in contact with him and remained unusually involved in his life.

After years of whispers and innuendo, James was arrested in 1996 and charged with sexual assault against minors. Two Swift Current players would testify against him: Kennedy and another whose name is protected by a court order. Kennedy would reveal a pattern of abuse that started when he played for James in age-group hockey in Winnipeg and stretched through his time with the Broncos. And, as Kennedy would describe it, the abuse seemed to be almost in plain sight. It happened in his parents’ home, even with his parents in another room. It happened in Centennial Civic Centre, when other people were around the arena. It happened in James’ home in Swift Current, when he was supposed to be doing homework with the coach and would show up at his billets’ home drunk and incoherent at 5 a.m.

THE RIFT IN SOCIETY

And here lies the fault line that runs through the community.

On one side you have people like Fanner Kruger. "I hate him," she says of James. "I could kill him. It takes a lot of the joy out of what that team did in their championship season. Poor Sheldon. I always wondered what was wrong with him. I knew that he drank a lot when he was with the Broncos. I should have asked questions. Scott saw a red flag and others must have seen it, too."

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Fanner knew about the taunts on the ice. She isn’t alone in asking, "What if I had done something?"

But on the other side of the fault line, there are those who claim to have been blindsided by the charges against James and his subsequent conviction. The conventional wisdom in hockey holds that no one knows a team better than the trainer — a trainer moves freely between the coach’s office and the dressing room and is the confidant of all. Yet Hahn says he was shocked when the Royal Canadian Mounted Police laid charges against James: "I never saw it coming, I didn’t see any warning signs at all, and I was around the team more than anybody."

Says Costello: "Graham was different ways with different people. With reporters, he always had time to talk and always tried to help out. He was a very bright man and he was aware how the media could keep his image as an educator."

Like Hahn and Costello, many people in Swift say that they never imagined the coach’s sordid secrets. None of them knew Kennedy better than Frank and Colleen McBain. Kennedy and Sakic were the McBains’ boarders, yet the couple says there wasn’t a hint of trouble. More than that, the McBains still insist that James did many good things. Colleen McBain, who was a guidance counselor at the Swift Current high school, praises James for his work with the team after the bus crash. "Graham did a great job with the boys after the accident," she says. "He conducted himself admirably. He was very strong … professional."

Even in retrospect, the McBains can’t see anything strategic or sinister in James’ brushing off psychological counseling for the players after the deaths of their four teammates. When it’s suggested to them that perhaps James was slamming that door to protect his awful secrets, the McBains say that he was simply following the players’ wishes. "The boys wanted it that way," Frank McBain says.

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None of this surprises Sheldon Kennedy. The way he sees it, nothing much has changed over the years.

"The idea that Graham James got us through the bus crash is insulting," Kennedy says. "We didn’t rally around him. The players rallied. He had nothing to do with it. And he kept the professional help from the team because he didn’t want anyone to know he was a sexual predator — keeping out professional help was his idea, not the players’. The idea of keeping the dressing-room door closed came from him.

I urge you to read the entire article here.

A PERSONAL LINK

I have a personal connection to the tragic crash in 1986. My older brother, Colin, and Brent Ruff were best friends. They played minor hockey together and both of them tried out for the under-17 Team Pacific in 1986. They both thought the other one was the better player.
 
My brother made Team Pacific while Ruff was one of the final cuts. The tournament was played over Christmas that year, and my brother felt  very guilty that he made the team and not Ruff. He felt if Ruff had made the team he wouldn’t have been on the bus that fateful day. When I read Joyce’s article I learned a lot about the crash and the after affects that I was unaware of, which proves that even when we are close to a situation there are still some scenarios that can surprise us.
 
When you read Joyce’s piece about the crash and how James didn’t allow the kids to speak to a professional so they could properly grieve, it reinforces how many of us revere and trust the decision makers in hockey more than we should at times.
 
Most of us don’t know how to deal with death properly,  and clearly many of us don’t know how to properly deal with sexual abuse and the victims. But that doesn’t mean we can’t learn.I think all of us in the hockey world need to pay attention to the new charges against James, because we shouldn’t want another young boy/man to endure something similar.
 
It is clear there are substantially more positive role model coaches and management-types in the hockey world than there is men similar to James, but to think that James was an isolated incident is naive. Sometimes we want to blindly trust those in positions of power, especially in hockey when many of us are blinded about the possibilities of stardom.

RAY FERRARO

Former NHLer and current TSN analyst, Ray Ferraro starred as a junior, scoring 108 goals and 192 points one year in Brandon and his son Landon started with the Red Deer Rebels and now plays for Everett in the WHL. Ferraro has experienced the WHL as a player and now a parent, and I asked him what advice he would give to parents who were sending their sons away to follow their hockey dream.
 
"Number one is, pay attention. Pay attention to where your son is going and who he is going to live with and who is going to coach him. My dad didn’t know anything about hockey and when I went away to Penticton, the first play I moved away, he came with me. He met my billets, he met the coach. At the time I didn’t realize it, but he was doing his research. He wanted to know where I was living, what did my bedroom look like, where was the sleeping quarters for the rest of the house, what was the policy on the road regarding how many kids stayed in a room and who looked after the kids on the road.
 
"You don’t have to be a hockey parent; you just have to be a parent. I know that some parents just send their boy away and assume the team is going to take care of their kid. A great onus for the protection of the player is on the team, but at that same time it has to be on the parent. You can’t obsolve everything and say ‘I thought they (the team) were looking after it.’ Whether the kid lives in your house or someone else’s house he is still your son and you still have to make sure you have an idea of where he is, where he goes and what is the team policy.
 
"Don’t assume, ask. This is your kid and that is the most important thing"
 
It is the responsibility of parents, billets, friends and all of us involved in the game we love to look out for each other and especially the kids.
 
Often people use the term hero or role model when describing hockey players, and in certain cases that is fine, but I think it is time for the culture of hockey, and all of us involved in it, to step to the forefront in fighting sexual abuse.
 
We have yet to accept it, or deal with it properly, in society, but considering most Canadians have some connection to hockey why don’t we take a stand. We need to openly support the victims, report the perpetrators and not turn our back or ostracize those who have been assaulted.
 
Hopefully Fleury and the other two complainants will see justice, our legal system will punish James properly and the hockey world will wake up and realize it is time we took a stand against sexual assault or abuse inside the game we call ours. 

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  • Milli

    I hope that he serves a lengthy term for his actions, albeit I am preparing myself for disappointment. I also hope that Fleury`s story continues to help victims of these assaults to come forward to put guys like James away.

    I love the game of hockey, but I have always been hopeful my kids stay away from it, because of the predators that seem to be there. I don`t fault the parents of these kids who get perpetrated on, but I would have troubles with the thoughts that my 14-15 year old would have to move away from home to pursue a dream. I think this is the fundemental problem with junior hockey, that often parents are too far away to protect their kids from people like this.

    • Jason Gregor

      Don’t keep your kids away…90% of coaches and volunteers are a great influence for kids. Your comments are a slap in the face to all the positive coaches, and trust me there are THOUSANDS more good ones than bad ones.

      I know lots of players that have had great experiences about chasing the dream. Not making it builds character for lots of kids/young men.

      The point isn’t to shelter your kids from things, it was to make sure you do your due diligence as a parent to protect them. BIG DIFFERENCE.

  • stilldrinkingthekoolaid

    Good article.

    Fleury gets a free pass from way too many people though. He was one of the Calgary Hitmen OWNERS when GRAHAM JAMES was hired. So Theo knowingly put minors at risk. Yes, I know Theo was a victim, but he make a deplorable decision when he was in a position to stop something from happening. Then he calls people out for not doing enough. Well, he didn’t do enough. I am glad he is doing something now.

  • RCN

    Good stuff JG.

    I actually wrote the James-coached Hitmen asking for a tryout in their 1st or 2nd season as a 16 year old. Lucky for me, I never got a response. That same season, there were allegations that a Leduc born rookie Hitmen player was a James victim.

    Although I wasn’t fortunate enough to ever play in the Dub, I know that better people than Graham James actually gave me a shot (Rich Preston in Regina & Bryan Maxwell in Lethbridge).

    Put this PIG behind bars.

  • Chris.

    Be prepared to be disappointed in the Canadian Justice System yet again. James has no doubt been in contact with a lawyer is is reasonably confident he won’t do signifgant additional time. (Why else would a rat like that come back?)

    James’ lawyer will probably argue that since all of these offences occured before James was successfully “rehabilitated” additional incarceration would be counter productive.

    Criminal sentences for crimes in Canada are served concurrently. At the very least, James will probably get a lot of credit for time already served. I’m already emotionally preparing for the let down.

  • Mitch

    Great article Jason, I have read Theo’s book every person should read the book. My personal take on the book is Theo teaches us about life, respect life, have passion for what we do, and most importantly compete everyday that we are on this earth. You don’t have to be a hockey player or a hockey fan to follow these simple rules, Theo just happened to be a world class talent at the game of hockey.

    It’s very important any person who has had this happen get time to tell there story, as we can see this can happen to anyone.

  • O.C.

    The volunteers of this generation follow a strict conduct. No one on one situations. The adult cannot place themselves between the athlete and the door or exit. Many, many changes coupled with awareness that now replaces ignorance, makes the world a much safer place for our young athletes and similar youth interest organizations.

    We must be careful to steer clear of massive paranoia, but more importantly, we must never, EVER, assume that this cannot happen again, lest the futures of other children be needlessly scarred.

    • Greg

      Ironic. Everyone is in a uproar about young boys being sexually violated (rightfully so), but no one has an issue with putting young girls in skimpy outfits in front of thousands of people to be oggled. How is that not also sexually violating a human being?

      • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

        pretty big difference between underage boys and adult girls dont you think?

        you dont think there would be an uproar if it were 15 year old girls in skimpy outfits?

        ~i know it would be rude of me to come right out and call you an idiot, so i will refrain from coming right out and saying it~

        • Dan the Man

          I have no problem being rude and calling Greg an idiot.

          You’re an idiot Greg if you think that a coach sexually abusing his underage players compares with “oggling” cheerleaders.

      • Bar Qu

        I’m glad you said it first.

        Somehow it is ok to demonstrate to young women that the only chance they have at advancement is to wear little or no clothes.

        Dan and cableguy you are incorrect to attack Greg for making the connection between the complete objectification of women and the abuse that girls suffer every day.

        The comment calling for ice girls in this article demonstrated a complete lack of class and tact. The guy who made that comment is the one who deserves your ire.

        • Jason Gregor

          The comment calling for ice girls in this article demonstrated a complete lack of class and tact. The guy who made that comment is the one who deserves your ire.

          Bang on. I didn’t think it was appropriate to include ANY of the regular features of Around The League in this article, because I wanted people to get the message.

          I didn’t include Random thoughts, stats or ice girls because of it.

          • Greg

            Just to be clear, I wasn’t equating the two or even remotely suggesting the affects are close. My apologies if it came across that way, and I hope it doesn’t distract people from the point of a very good article. I was simply trying to point out that it was ironic for someone to call for ice girls pics in an article about sexual abuse. I stand by that, but Bar Qu clearly said that better than I did.

          • Greg

            Dan the man, where do you see in Bar Qu’s comment a comparison between being a cheerleader and what happened to Fleury and Kennedy? He simply states it’s an objectification of women. He’s stating an opinion (one I share), but doesn’t even mention Fleury or Kennedy or imply any relation between the two. If you have a different opinion, feel free to state that, but there’s no need to get antagonistic about a point no one is even trying to make.

        • cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

          when you come back to the real world and actually take the time to read the posts, let me know.

          i never attacked anyone for making the connection between the complete objectification of women and the abuse that girls suffer every day. at all

      • Jason Gregor

        They are WOMEN, not girls. And they choose to do it. No one forces them. To compare looking at a women to sexually abusing a boy is so inaccurate on your point it’s baffling.

        You should be ashamed to suggest the longterm affects of sexual abuse is even close to oggling.

        • Maggie the Monkey

          I feel compelled to offer a different perspective to this comment.

          Yes, it’s true that the women who choose to be ice girls do so of their own volition and based on their own motivations. The issue I have is with all of the young girls who go with their families to hockey games who don’t have the same choice. When these young girls see men turning their heads to get a look at Ice Women, a superficial standard of beauty is being reinforced. Ice Women are not the only source of these standards, of course, but I’m still not sure why the management feels compelled to introduce them into a rink that is almost always sold out. While all hockey teams want to market to families that include young girls, surely they must also be aware of the dangerous body images that this can promote. It just doesn’t add up, and this part of the issue isn’t discussed very often.

          Aside from all this, I want to thank you again for addressing this difficult subject matter. Clearly there are many different facets to the issues surrounding it and just as many opinions, and I appreciate your effort in writing about them and discussing them with us.

  • Ben Dover

    Awesome article JG. Your writing skills have improved dramatically over the last couple years. You have the ability to tackle hard-hitting topics with objectivity, empathy and tact not often seen in a “radio man”. I know your brother and it’s obvious you were all raised right. I love Brownlee articles, which is a major draw to ON for me, but your opinion pieces are a must-read.

    This James character is, by all accounts, a horrible person. I met Fleury a few years ago and had nothing to say to him, as I inherently viewed him as an ex-Flame not worthy of conversation. He was still struggling with addiction at the time, and you could actually see pain in his eyes. A friend of mine got to know him and he was f*cked up, even with a stranger. I’m glad he wrote his book, accepted things and is getting on with life.

    I hope James gets what he truly deserves, but it will never (and probably won’t) be enough. Theo’s memories must be horrible and the next year or two will be equally rough on him and the others. There’s certainly a lesson to be learned for parents of aspiring, young sports stars living away from home. The quotes from Ferraro are so real and yet so obvious.

  • James’ lawyer will probably argue that since all of these offences occured before James was successfully “rehabilitated” additional incarceration would be counter productive.

    Criminal sentences for crimes in Canada are served concurrently. At the very least, James will probably get a lot of credit for time already served. I’m already emotionally preparing for the let down.

    Assuming that he’s guilty, I’m more than a little curious to see how this turns out as well. This is a somewhat unique situation, assuming that all of the charges pre-date the conviction in the Kennedy matter. There are certain things that a court takes into account in sentencing, pursuant to the Criminal Code:

    718. The fundamental purpose of sentencing is to contribute, along with crime prevention initiatives, to respect for the law and the maintenance of a just, peaceful and safe society by imposing just sanctions that have one or more of the following objectives:

    (a) to denounce unlawful conduct;

    (b) to deter the offender and other persons from committing offences;

    (c) to separate offenders from society, where necessary;

    (d) to assist in rehabilitating offenders;

    (e) to provide reparations for harm done to victims or to the community; and

    (f) to promote a sense of responsibility in offenders, and acknowledgement of the harm done to victims and to the community.

    I would assume, for the sake of discussion, that (b), (c) and (d) aren’t really issues here. James, as far as we know, hasn’t re-offended in the past thirteen years and there’s an event that we can point to (the Kennedy conviction) as the reason why – that presumably was an end point of that conduct. To the extent that he can be rehabilitated, I would expect that he has been.

    That leaves (a), (e) and (f). I’m genuinely curious to see how this will play out. I don’t practice criminal law, so I’ve only got slightly more knowledge than the average Joe in this area but it strikes me as an unusual problem – guy gets caught and sentenced for some of the offences, keeps his nose clean for 13 years and then more dirty laundry comes to light.

    Unless he’s just hauled off somewhere and shot, society’s also got an interest in him keeping his head down and being a productive citizen – he’s not going to get a life sentence for this. It’s going to be an awfully difficult balancing act for the judge.

    • Sadly you are probably correct. Its slightly disturbing that Theo would gain credibility in his own case against James if a kid came forward from the Hitman days. The irony is obvious, how Theo and Sakic rationalized that hiring without being absolutely dismissive of the kids they were exposing (if in fact they thought James was a predator) is beyond comprehension.
      By extension that hiring actually undermines Fleurys case or exposes Fleury as a total fraud. They hired him believing he was reformed and thus forgiven or…….?????

      In the end it will help book sales, which helps Larry Day (flames this week) and his wife.. (co-author) McLellan Day… and Theo. A pure sceptic would find much to hang ones hat on given the media company they own and the various tentacles of the flames brass that exist there.

      Personally I dont think they are that duplicitous and am hopeful that Theo stepping up and talking about his experience will save someone else… in the end thats all that really matters.

      A very interesting article about a most puzzling series of events. Good job Jason.

  • Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

    piss me off…just spent ten minutes ranting about this excrement james and ONCE AGAIN at the click of a button i POST MY DIATRIBE INTO CYBER SPACE>>> WHAT IS UP WITH THIS SITE?

    short of the long of it is this…james will get less time for what he did to fluery cuz he’ll plead guilty (again) and he’ll be sentenced as a FIRST OFFENDER cuz of the pardon …he did NOT come back here in some ‘man-up’ horse manure gesture saying ‘he’ll face the music’…he has made a sweet deal with the crown (ala carla homolka)and will be sentenced accordingly…and lastly and this is a sore point to mention because i have much respect for our contributors.

    …i can NOT believe ANYONE would “APPLAUD” graham james for ANYTHING period

    • Rob...

      I agree.

      Jason, I threw up a little in my mouth reading how you ‘applaud’ him.

      There is an extradition agreement in place between Mexico and Canada. James did nobody a favour but himself by surrendering to authorities. He’s a cold calculating manipulative sorry excuse for a human who deserves to die for his crimes. No other punishment short of life in prison, which would punish the tax payers as well as James, will ensure that children remain protected against him and his incurable addiction.

      I have no doubt that your heart is in the right place, as has been demonstrated in many articles and on-air comments, but I think you should reconsider your choice of wording in regard to his surrendering himself.

      • Jason Gregor

        Rob, I spoke with an expert out of Vancouver and he said had James chosen to stay there it would have taken a long time to get him back. Also had had filed for citizenship, and recieved it, then he wouldn’t have been extradited, because Mexico doesn’t extradite Nationals.

        When I wrote applaud him, I meant for FINALLY doing the right thing. His past history would show he didn’t do the right thing.

        If any of you think I have a shred of sympathy for James you haven’t been paying attention. Ranting and raving would lessen the point of the article, which was to ensure it DOESN’T happen again.

        Some of you focus on James. His damage is done, and putting him behind bars won’t immediately heal any of his victims.

        To often people just want to get their pound of flesh from a guy like James, rather than turn our attention to preventing it from happening again. The latter will help way more people.

        • Rob...

          Jason, just a few things:

          “sympathy for James”- I never thought that you had sympathy for James.

          re: expert testimony- Did the expert comment on precedence for convicted pedophiles up on new charges being provided Mexican citizenship? (sorry I missed this on the radio btw or I wouldn’t have to ask)

          re: “pound of flesh”- My draconian wish to have James put down like a common animal has little to do with punishing him and lots to do with:
          -ensuring that his previous victims can sleep knowing he’s not doing this to anyone else
          -ensure he is not doing this to anyone else
          -ensure that anyone with the same sick cravings thinks twice about the consequences of acting on their impulses.

          • Jason Gregor

            Re: The citizenship. He said it could have been a possible, but the Mexican gov’t isn’t really consistent. Had James gotten to know the right person he could have received citizenship.

            I get why you think that way, and I don’t blame you for that. I think all of us feel something similar. I was just trying to point out the ways to try and prevent it from happening in the future. And you bring up a good point about how his victims would be relieved to know he was behind bars. Let’s hope the courts get it right this time.

    • Jason Gregor

      Get a grip. You think because you post something we have to bow down to your demands. Get a grip of yourself. Your opinion means no more than any other poster. Keep swearing and you will be banned. It isn’t hard. Freedom of speech doesn’t allow you to say whatever you want. Wake up.

      The picture has him holding MAN OF THE YEAR in hockey news. Are you ignorant enough not to see the irony of it? That is the point.

        • Jason Gregor

          Glad to see your ignorance continues to shine through. The great part about your posts is it allows everyone to see just how clueless you are. We don’t have to say anything. Thanks.

          • Rob...

            . . . it’s been over ten hours and i haven’t been called ignorant more than twice, clueless or any other name since taking the esteemed gregor to task … he failed to see that people get passionate and heated when hot button flash point filled topics are brought up. I applaud him for his threat of banishment if i don’t tow the sites’ line, stop disagreeing, start seeing the irony & prove myself worthy of being apart of his one way street called Oilers Nation…a place where he sucks all the fun out of Freedom of speech for me.I’d ban me too for any of that stuff. So,I guess i’m in the clear. It’s pointless to hold my breath for any sort of explanation from the one [ego maniac] in charge of ‘positive fridays’ as to why he applauded a sexual predator for anything…if only he just admitted that he was wrong then i wouldn’t even be thinking of canceling my Brass Bonanza ringtone.
            This probably won’t actually make it to post [nazi germany] but if i thought it might I
            would only say…Jason…It Was Your Thread kid and you blew it! You’ve obviously spoken for everyone here and if no one reads or cares anything about what I post,even in this last post, i’m good with that…

            i’m just glad we’re OK.

          • Rob...

            Personally I think you’d be more at home commenting on youtube videos. That’s the true troll playground.

            You weren’t the only one to comment on the use of the word ‘applaud’. However you are the only one not open enough to accept Jason’s explanation.

          • Jason Gregor

            As usual you are paying close attention. We ban and delete any comments that contain swearing or disparaging remarks. I have deleted few than ten posts in my history here.

            Disagree all you want. Have the smarts to not swear about it. Is it that hard to figure out?

            I applauded James for finally doing the right thing and returning to Canada. What part of that don’t you understand. He could have stayed in Mexico if he chose. Again, is it that hard to figure out.

            I’m not wrong. You just don’t seem to be able to grasp simple concepts. And stop whining that this site is a dictatorship. I’ve engaged posters for years who agree and disagree with me. Get over yourself. You are no more important than any other poster on here.