WWYDW: Nazem Kadri’s New Contract

Since being drafted back in 2009, Nazem Kadri has consistently found himself in the middle of a number of controversies. No, Kadri isn’t getting in trouble with the law, fighting fans or tossing lawnmowers; the controversy is often created by the fans or media, instead. They argue how many points he’ll put up, where he’ll fit in the roster, and most recently what kind of money the Leafs should be willing (or not willing) to pay him.

That’s what we’re going to be focusing on today… Kadri’s next contract.

Currently, the 25-year old Kadri earns $4.1M a season on a one-year “show me” contract he signed last offseason. It’s time to negotiate a new contract, and this time around Toronto will need to purchase some UFA years.

So what exactly is Nazem Kadri worth? Some people think he’s junk (those people are probably junk) and others think he’s worth well over five million dollars on a long term deal (which is a little crazy, too). So, if it was up to you, how much do you shell out to keep Kadri in Toronto?

  • Gary Empey

    It depends what happens in the off-season. If the Leafs draft Matthews and sign Stamkos, maybe they consider trading Kadri, especially if he is asking for 5.5 million per or thereabouts, and could very well end up being a third line center as a result of circumstance.

  • Gary Empey

    It is hard to answer because many of the same questions from last year still exist after this “show me” contract.

    Kadri has answered the question about if he could play against other teams first lines defensively shown by his good possession stats. However, offensively against first line opposition the questions still persist if he is a 1C and can produce at that level.

    To better answer the question, I’d like Kadri to sign another of these “prove me” contracts to show he can produce like a 1C provided he still has more RFA years left. Failing that, I’d pay him in line with what an average 2C makes (and avoid those Nonis elite or expensive long term contracts for a non-elite player like he did for Phaneuf/Clarkson/Lupul etc).

  • CMpuck

    5×5 is a perfect scenario. 4 years $6m or $4 years, $5m is good too. that’s assuming we don’t get matthews/stamkos or whoever else is in the rumour mill tavares 😉 maybe kadri gets less because of his low shooting percentage but i think 5×5 is the perfect amount. i want this guy around. he can produce 60 points with is career shooting percentage while excelling on the dot and playing a strong two way game, matching up vs top competition and putting his team on the pp all at the age of 25… AND he actually wants to be here!! who wouldn’t want him?!

  • Gary Empey

    I think 4.5 – 5.5 in the 3 to 5 year range. If the Leafs were able to get Stamkos, Kadri would be a good 2C, and no matter who the Leafs draft; that player is not going to play C in the NHL next year.

    Interestingly enough, any of the projected top three could be sent to the AHL next year. Which could make sense from a cap control and contract standpoint. You don’t want all of your young players hitting free agency at the same time, the idea being to stagger them.

    • silentbob

      If they draft Matthews he probably will be in the NHL next year (though I disagree with that). Nylander will almost certainly be with the Leafs next year as well – both of whom could play #2 center minutes behind Stamkos (if they get him), plus they still have Bozak on the roster.

  • Gary Empey

    The leafs need to free up some roster spots for young players as well. as it stands now next years line up looks something like this:

    JVR KADRI KOMOROV
    LUPUL BOZAK MICHALEK
    GREENING hOLLAND ?
    ? LAICH ?

    Assuming everyone under contract comes back, the leafs have three roster spots for young players to fill, if the sign Stamkos that’s down to two.

    Two spots for all of these young players to duke it out over.

    Nylander, Kapanen, Soshnikov, Hymen, Brown, Leivo, Marner, Johnson, Leipsic, Smith, Lindberg, not too mention their first round pick this year.

    I’m not sure what the summer will hold, but it seems to me that some bodies will be on the way out.

  • CMpuck

    First goal in tonight’s game assisted by number 43 nazem kadri. Too bad it was on Tavares’ goal… against the leafs!

    The two consistent talents he has had since coming into the NHL are drawing penalties and giving the f#$@ing puck away!

    • TGT23

      Also assisted on the Leafs goal, on a play he created by being patient. He creates a ton of offensive scoring chances consistently and has become a solid two-way player.

      But, none of that counts because he whiffed on one puck.

  • CMpuck

    So in the intermission after he gave the puck away for the islanders goal, Kadri comes out and says: “talent wise there’s not too much difference” between him and Tavares! Give me a F’n break! What world does this guy live in?

  • Gary Empey

    Kadri is our property for now and he’s not useless. If we can get him signed at a reasonable price that makes him an asset to another team, we should sign him and trade him. St Louis wants him give us a 1st round pick and he’s yours. Good riddance!

  • Gary Empey

    @ Justin Fisher

    Justin, have you considered this? Agents and players will all be watching how the Stamkos contract pans out. In the past it was older players who choose free agency. This year we have seen much younger players using free agency as a major bargaining chip. Is this the agents answer to the salary cap? Could Stamkos set a precedent for future restricted free agents approaching their first UFA years. Are we looking at just around the corner, teams losing their better younger players with no return? Kadri may or may not fall into this category.

    • TGT23

      Tampa will still get a really decent-exceptional return for Stamkos. The only way Stamkos can get an 8 year deal is either from Tampa, who can’t afford him, or from the team Tampa trades for him after the playoffs. And whichever team has his rights is the only team that can offer him 8 years. Tampa can at least expect a 2nd rounder for Stamkos’ rights after the playoffs.

      Which is why instead of giving up the 2nd rounder for Stamkos’ right, the leafs should offer up Pittsburgh’s first (assuming it’s 15-17) for both Stamkos’s rights and Druoin. Or if we don’t get Matthews we trade our 1st for Stamkos, Druoin, Tampa 1st and a prospect. It seems like an over payment on their part but they couldn’t get more than that given both Stamkos’ and Druoin’s situations.

      • Gary Empey

        Stamkos has a “no movement” clause in his contract. Tampa had their chance and they blew it. Now they will get Sweet FA.

        Do you really consider 2nd rounder for Stamkos a decent-exceptional return. We got a 2nd rounder, Brooks Laich and Connor Carrik for Winnik. We got a 2nd rounder for Polak. We got a 2nd rounder for Spaling.

  • TGT23

    I’d be willing to go 4.55-5M per year. Basically a 2nd Line contract. He’s better than a 3rd C like Bozak, not quite a top line producer, though.

    Then again, his Pts/60 at ES say otherwise. Not his fault he’s not played top line minutes with top line wingers, but Luo will look to benefit from that and get a cheaper deal than Naz is worth.

    In two years, when Naz is playing on a top talent line with JVR and whomever they decide to play the wing (Marner, Nylander, Kap, or some other prospect/FA) and his production skyrockets… this will look like a steal.

    • magesticRAGE

      You do pose a great point in that Kadri is very productive at even strength, even last year as well. If Naz had scoring linemates, I think his stats would be changing. Even now, his recent rate of points is very good. His overall totals will help Lou to sign him for $5.2M x 4.

      • Gary Empey

        You are putting way too much weight on analytic programs to analyize hockey.

        Kadri stands 49th in points for centers with 12 goals and 25 assists this year.

        For a number one center in the NHL I wouldn’t call that ” very productive “, at any strength.

        Kadri’a stats are worse than a lot of rookie centers.

        ” very productive ” is more like Tyler Seguin 32 goals 36 assists. Evgeny Kuznetsov Wash. 20 goals and 48 assists. The list could go on and on.

  • TGT23

    Shanahan and Lamoriello have watched him all year and I’m positive they have decided what role they expect him to play within the organization and at what price. If they can’t get a deal done rather than overpay, they will flip him for comparable assets.

  • silentbob

    A lot depends on 1) Who they draft and sign this off-season. If they add Matthews and Stamkos, letting Kadri go is much easier if they draft one of the Finnish wingers or Thachuk etc… and 2) Does Babcock want him?

    In terms of contract, I think the comparables you want to use are guys like Marcus Johnson (3.75 million), Abdelkader (4.25 million) and Jori Lehtera (4.7 million).

  • silentbob

    Unfortunately Kadri is a bit to cocky and thinks a bit to highly of himself. In no way is he a John Taveres in anyway, at best he’s a decent second line centre. Im in no way a Kadri hater, as he is a decent player, but at the same point Babs even sees he has a lot of improvement still to do. Saying he will be 26 next year, if he was going to be an “elite” centre the stats would already be showing this. Yes he’s an aggitator and can make other teams cough up penalties, he still in no way should command a first line centres contract. Id prefer to see another show me contract, but am unsure if he’s willing to do this again. I don’t believe he’s worth 5 million a year, and i have no idea where the one guy above gets 6.5 – 7 million from. Thats why fans don’t have any sway in the team as majority of them would make the stupidest contracts ever. Toronto needs players that want to play for them and understand the cap era problems. If we could sign him long term to no more then 4 – 4.5 per year i believe most fans wouldn’t be to upset with the contract. I still believe that we should be able to get a better deal showing his stats this year. If you watch him play he shoots at the goalie majority of the time, when i say at the goalie i mean directly at the goalie. I believe Babs, Shanny and Lou know what they have and will not over pay him on his next contract.

  • silentbob

    Unfortunately Kadri is a bit to cocky and thinks a bit to highly of himself. In no way is he a John Taveres in anyway, at best he’s a decent second line centre. Im in no way a Kadri hater, as he is a decent player, but at the same point Babs even sees he has a lot of improvement still to do. Saying he will be 26 next year, if he was going to be an “elite” centre the stats would already be showing this. Yes he’s an aggitator and can make other teams cough up penalties, he still in no way should command a first line centres contract. Id prefer to see another show me contract, but am unsure if he’s willing to do this again. I don’t believe he’s worth 5 million a year, and i have no idea where the one guy above gets 6.5 – 7 million from. Thats why fans don’t have any sway in the team as majority of them would make the stupidest contracts ever. Toronto needs players that want to play for them and understand the cap era problems. If we could sign him long term to no more then 4 – 4.5 per year i believe most fans wouldn’t be to upset with the contract. I still believe that we should be able to get a better deal showing his stats this year. If you watch him play he shoots at the goalie majority of the time, when i say at the goalie i mean directly at the goalie. I believe Babs, Shanny and Lou know what they have and will not over pay him on his next contract.